[johnea]

It's well documented that healthcare providers in rural US are diminishing, and yet, they continue to vote for right wing candidates.

It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party.

The famous Hillary quote: "Single payer is off the table"

This is why the RNC has hated on the Clintons so much, and especially Hillary: they were muscling in on republican turf.

[tzs]

> It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party

It is only (possibly) important to point that out if single-payer healthcare is necessary for an affordable, high quality, universal healthcare system.

That is clearly not the case since there are several examples of first world countries with such systems that are not single-payer, such as Germany, France, Switzerland, and the Netherlands.

[Glyptodon]

In all fairness they also have very little in the way of very low population density areas compared to the US. For example, Montana is bigger than Germany and has like 7 people per square mile overall.

[antonvs]

> The famous Hillary quote: "Single payer is off the table"

Her point was that getting that passed would be politically unrealistic at the time, and she was almost certainly correct.

Your framing is either ignorant or deliberately deceptive.

[johnea]

The democratic party controlled the house, the senate, and the presidency at that point in time.

My point is that the democratic party blocked public health care for the US.

This is neither ignorant nor deceptive.

[antonvs]

> My point is that the democratic party blocked public health care for the US.

That's not what you wrote. You specifically referred to Hillary and "the Clintons", not the Democratic Party as a whole.

Hillary was simply observing the practical reality that they would not have been able to get the necessary votes to pass single payer. Conservative Democratic and "centrist" (codeword for conservative) senators like Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus and others would not have supported single payer. They didn't even support a much milder public option.

[johnea]

Are you just trolling?

> It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party.

There is some ambiguity in that sentence: by "last", I don't mean that it was the final opportunity, I mean it was the most recent previous opportunity.

Also, to your last point:

> Hillary was simply observing the practical reality that they would not have been able to get the necessary votes to pass single payer. Conservative Democratic and "centrist" (codeword for conservative) senators like Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus and others would not have supported single payer. They didn't even support a much milder public option.

We're totally in agreement on that, and that was my intended point: the DEMs, and specifically the Clinton's were representing the right-wing perspective on the issue.

The DNC has become even more right-wing since then, following the RNC right, as it went off the cliff into MAGA fantasy land...