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by antonvs 31 days ago
> The famous Hillary quote: "Single payer is off the table"

Her point was that getting that passed would be politically unrealistic at the time, and she was almost certainly correct.

Your framing is either ignorant or deliberately deceptive.
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johnea 31 days ago
The democratic party controlled the house, the senate, and the presidency at that point in time.

My point is that the democratic party blocked public health care for the US.

This is neither ignorant nor deceptive.

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antonvs 31 days ago
> My point is that the democratic party blocked public health care for the US.

That's not what you wrote. You specifically referred to Hillary and "the Clintons", not the Democratic Party as a whole.

Hillary was simply observing the practical reality that they would not have been able to get the necessary votes to pass single payer. Conservative Democratic and "centrist" (codeword for conservative) senators like Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus and others would not have supported single payer. They didn't even support a much milder public option.

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johnea 29 days ago
Are you just trolling?

> It is important to point out though, that the last opportunity to establish single-payer healthcare in the US was prevented by the democratic party.

There is some ambiguity in that sentence: by "last", I don't mean that it was the final opportunity, I mean it was the most recent previous opportunity.

Also, to your last point:

> Hillary was simply observing the practical reality that they would not have been able to get the necessary votes to pass single payer. Conservative Democratic and "centrist" (codeword for conservative) senators like Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus and others would not have supported single payer. They didn't even support a much milder public option.

We're totally in agreement on that, and that was my intended point: the DEMs, and specifically the Clinton's were representing the right-wing perspective on the issue.

The DNC has become even more right-wing since then, following the RNC right, as it went off the cliff into MAGA fantasy land...

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