Americans don't care what the rest of the world says. It's a privilege that comes from a position of power. In any case, the Iranian people themselves have protested their own regime many times, so no one needs to listen to the US position on this. Just listen to the Iranian people.
We agree with them. Their regime needs to go.
In the US, we will be rid of the current administration in less than 3 years and MAGA will end with it. If the Iranian people had the same choice American citizens do, they would have voted their regime out and current events would be very different.
Oh boy, equivocating the U.S. military to the IRGC, which murdered tens of thousands of Iranian protestors just 4 months ago, which jails and murders women for failing to wear a hijab or burka or protesting in public, the IRGC which fired missiles at 8 different countries in the middle east less than 2 months ago, is the highest form of privilege coming from people largely shielded by the US military from inevitable global war in its absence.
Especially when you look at Iran-Contra, where the US cut out the middleman and supplied arms directly to Iran and supported terrorists at the same time!
Americans understand. We're allowed to fund terrorists, Iran isnt. Its not even a bad take if your goal is just domestic happiness. Iran funds terrorists that are opposed to American interests, it's the opposed to american interests part that is unacceptable.
The problem with this attitude is that no-one other than jingoistic Americans will want to support your country if you behave like that. There’s no difference between you and Russia then.
I don’t think this is true. You just need to work with countries whose values and incentives align with your own. Luckily American values line up very nicely with most western countries.
I do agree that ignoring the suffering you cause other people is pretty immoral, I just think most people tend to be kind of ok with that, especially in out of sight out of mind situations. Most people don’t mind if their enemies suffer, its just a balancing act of making sure that mostly it’s your enemies that you make suffer.
Not really any different than eating meat, another immoral act that almost everyone does anyway.
> Luckily American values line up very nicely with most western countries.
You're living in the past. There's a reason that European countries are rushing to increase their technology independence from the US.
The countries whose "values and incentives" align with the current US administration are countries like Russia, China, and a number of countries in the Middle East. Orban's Hungary was another but that's behind us now.
Yes, the U.S. is very concerned that the E.U. is pivoting to LibreOffice. There is an ongoing war in Ukraine right now as there has been for 4 years. Will the E.U. deploy forces there to save Ukraine from Russia? Or will it instead resort to virtue signalling against the U.S. because they were asked to pay more for their defense or lose free access to American markets?
That reason is Trump, an unpredictable leader who is backing away from traditional western values. European countries had no issue backing the US up in Iraq and Afghanistan(until our folly was abundantly clear at least). If the future of the US is trump style leadership you’re right, if the future is a return to pre Trump then I don’t think the US will have any issue working with western countries.
We agree with them. Their regime needs to go.
In the US, we will be rid of the current administration in less than 3 years and MAGA will end with it. If the Iranian people had the same choice American citizens do, they would have voted their regime out and current events would be very different.
Here we are.