[HDThoreaun]

I don’t think this is true. You just need to work with countries whose values and incentives align with your own. Luckily American values line up very nicely with most western countries.

I do agree that ignoring the suffering you cause other people is pretty immoral, I just think most people tend to be kind of ok with that, especially in out of sight out of mind situations. Most people don’t mind if their enemies suffer, its just a balancing act of making sure that mostly it’s your enemies that you make suffer.

Not really any different than eating meat, another immoral act that almost everyone does anyway.

[antonvs]

> Luckily American values line up very nicely with most western countries.

You're living in the past. There's a reason that European countries are rushing to increase their technology independence from the US.

The countries whose "values and incentives" align with the current US administration are countries like Russia, China, and a number of countries in the Middle East. Orban's Hungary was another but that's behind us now.

[chrisco255]

Yes, the U.S. is very concerned that the E.U. is pivoting to LibreOffice. There is an ongoing war in Ukraine right now as there has been for 4 years. Will the E.U. deploy forces there to save Ukraine from Russia? Or will it instead resort to virtue signalling against the U.S. because they were asked to pay more for their defense or lose free access to American markets?

Toothless E.U. never came to anyone's defense.

[HDThoreaun]

That reason is Trump, an unpredictable leader who is backing away from traditional western values. European countries had no issue backing the US up in Iraq and Afghanistan(until our folly was abundantly clear at least). If the future of the US is trump style leadership you’re right, if the future is a return to pre Trump then I don’t think the US will have any issue working with western countries.