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by ajsnigrutin 36 days ago
I live in a country with mandatory (mostly-)yearly car inspections (and all other motor vehicles).

Many time you don't even know that there's an issue and they only find it during the inspection. Handbrake works only on one side, normal brakes don't work properly on one of the wheels, there's play in one of the joints or tie rods, etc.

You park, pull the handbrake, you have no idea that if you parked on an incline, your car would roll downhill, but because they noticed it during an inspection, you get that fixed. At the same time, you're forced to replace all the blown lightbulbs etc., even the ones not used daily (fog lights, etc.), since they check those too. Many people don't even notice their brake lights not working.

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> Handbrake works only on one side, normal brakes don't work properly on one of the wheels, there's play in one of the joints or tie rods, etc.

Do any of these states even actually check for these things? Texas used to have required safety and emissions requirements. It was largely tires aren't completely shot and seem somewhat straight (alignment was definitely not a requirement though), essential lighting is functional (headlights, taillights, turn signals if originally equipped), wipers are OK. Emissions was a check of the gas cap and an OBD-II scan. For motorcycles there was a braking test but I never saw a similar test done on a car.

That said I think it shouldn't have gone away. Personally I think if you're going to operate such a dangerous thing in public it should have a lot of scrutiny. I've seen too many cars experience some kind of crazy failure from poor maintenance end up hurting others on the highways around me. Having a desk job at a window facing two major highways for a long time, you see so much injury and death, so much of it avoidable.

In US? I have no idea.

In my country (slovenia), yes. They put the car on a plate, check from below, put it on rollers, check both sets of brakes, exhaust, lights, etc.

example (oldtimer, but still, the process is the same): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIEsExVNIc

UK here, so yearly "MOT" inspections.

Last year the handbrake was like you say, only on one side. And the seatbelt mount was weak.

This year it uncovered two gaping holes near the suspension struts.

I can't imagine not having that inspected at least yearly!

I was sold incorrect tyres once, picked up in the inspection. Why wouldn't I want to know?
And yet somehow in the US states that don't have inspections things keep working. It's not as though we don't have statistics regarding the causes of traffic incidents.
"Keep working", or people get injured, or die at higher rates due to faulty vehicles on the road.

US road infrastructure is pretty bad at the best of times, highways are devoid of safety and notification systems. Hence why MASSIVE pile ups are a thing

There is a world of difference between keeping working and working safely.

I don't know about technical and emmission inspections in the US but in our country they also check stuff like properly aligned headlights so you don't blind other cars, the brakes, geometry etc., and I'm pretty sure without those check the cars would drive on the roads and cause safety issues.

> For emissions, again who cares.

Well for example removing a DPF from a diesel car which was popular sport for a time and driving such a car in a densely populated area can be considered directly causing cancer, so a lot of people care about this. And only spot checking for this is ineffective and expensive, though it is done in some countries anyway (Austria I think?).

The safety part was exactly my point about the statistics. I've never come across anything to indicate that a noticable number of injuries or deaths are in any way related to equipment failure. The typical contenders are things like intoxication, drowsiness, distraction, and blatant recklessness or even anger.

Headlights is the only thing I'll agree with you on as being terrible in the US (at least all the parts I've lived in and visited). It's purely a matter of enforcement though. People replace the stock bulbs with arbitrary stuff they ordered that's absolutely blinding and the police seem to just ignore it. It's incredibly frustrating.

What I meant by spot enforcement was responding to credible reports or opportunistic observations with surprise physical inspections. Basically the same thing they do for equipment condition in the states that don't have safety inspections. If there's black smoke billowing from your tailpipe or other obviously faulty equipment I think it's reasonable for the police to investigate that.

It’s definitely debatable, and is unlikely to be a primary factor in a significant number of events. It’s also hard to measure because the data is pretty bad.

As an example, your tire could blow out and cause you to hit a drunk pedestrian. It would be flagged as an alcohol related crash. Police are mostly interested in violations and liability, and you are responsible. Unless it’s a fatality, nobody will even ask if your failure to stop was related to poor brakes or bald tires.

In my opinion, the only clear stat is how many people are dead. Everything else requires domain expertise to interpret.

Yeah and those stats show a big difference. In the UK there are 2.6 fatalities per 100,000 population on average per year. And in the USA it’s 14.2

That’s five times higher!

For those that don’t know these are all the checks done yearly to every passenger car over 3 years old. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-parts-checked...

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...

The UK also has much stricter training requirements prior to being granted a license, among other differences. I don't think we can pin all the differences on the yearly MOT.
> It's purely a matter of enforcement though.

I would argue it's more effective to enforce stuff like this with mandatory periodical inspections than to leave it to random police checks. There are several reasons for that - the police are already doing lot of things, so they might not care; 'normalisation of deviation' etc.

If you spend your time in the northeast and drive south semi-regularly, you notice it if you’re observant. There’s broken down cars and shredded tire debris everywhere.

Inspection is one driver of that. Salt eats cars up north which limits daily drivers to 8-10 years which is probably a bigger one. But a significantly higher number of vehicles aren’t really road worthy.

It's easier if you don't have those pesky cyclists and pedestrians.