> The benefits do not outweigh the negatives in any industry.
Pay in some professions is still way better than in their home countries.
Almost all my friends in Canada want to move here. 5 times more Canadians move to the US than Americans move to Canada. That's a damning statistic given that Canada's population is 10% of the US population - so on a per capita basis, it's a ratio of 50x.
Yes but if you come from a poor country, pay outweighs everything else. Without money the kids may get a crappy education (and I mean really crappy where the teachers intentionally don't teach), really crappy healthcare, and no hope of owning property, possibly little hope of owning a car, etc.
Yes compared to developed countries the US may look bad, but most of the world is below the US. Stuff like ICE simply doesn't even register. They've killed only a handful of people.
Even coming from poverty (which I did) every first world country is a vast improvement as you say on wages to those coming from poverty. However, living standards in the US in many ways are vastly lower than other first world countries. Healthcare, safety, social wellbeing, quality of life, freedom, workers rights, are all far better elsewhere. ICE is not the only issue.
It's funny you use education and healthcare as choices, whereby the education and healthcare you receive depends greatly on where you live in the US and how much you earn. Education not having blanket standards, irrelevant of religion, does not suggest high quality.
First, I'll just point out that your original comment talked about two separate things:
1. Why would one move to the US (presumably long term)?
2. Why would one come to study in the US?
The calculus is quite different between the two, because one can come just for the degree and leave.
Regarding 1:
It depends what degree you're hoping to earn in the US, and how many kids you plan to have ;-)
Pretty much anywhere in the US, with a SW engineering degree, you can ensure your kids have a decent education. And if you can't, you can simply move. SW folks are amongst the least tied geographically. Ditto for healthcare (at least in terms of affordability - quality may be great or middling, but usually not terrible).
But really, other than wages, the reason many choose to move to the US is language. They already know English. There aren't that many other options. The UK can be a really, really crappy place. I know many people who moved to the UK, spent anywhere from 5-20 years there, and moved out because of their social problems. They are all happier - including those who relocated to the US.
Beyond the UK, the main choices are Canada and Australia. Canada was the darling until recently. IIRC, a year or two ago it was ranked worst or second worst in terms of affordability amongst all OECD countries. As I mentioned in another thread, on a per capita basis, 50x more Canadians move to the US than vice versa. Every one of my Canadian friends who moved to the US said "Socially it was great, but kept having trouble finding jobs and paying bills when I had jobs". Some miss the healthcare, but most don't. Overall the education may be better there, but they all feel their kids are getting a better education in the US because they can afford to live in places with good schools. A few plan to move back when they retire.
(Don't get me wrong, if I had huge piles of cash, I'd move to BC in a heartbeat. But I don't have that money.)
Australia/New Zealand is the only real viable alternative. Most people I know who moved there 10+ years ago are happy. The recent ones are less so - and the worry is it's becoming Canada (unaffordable + low pay). Still, they like it enough that they don't consider moving to the US.
As to number 2 above, especially in the context of graduate degrees: It's simple. For most of the world, a US PhD is extremely valuable (compared to, say, one from Australia). So it's a no-brainer to understand why they'd come here for a PhD. Easy to find jobs elsewhere.
I don't get it, as an American living happily in Scandinavia, but a lot of my euro tech coworkers idolize the US for the income potential and "freedoms".
They can't ever articulate the freedoms, I think we just have good propaganda, but the desire is certainly there.
People have long chosen to move to other countries that have much more repressive/restrictive immigration regimes. For example, the Gulf countries, or even Singapore where you have to renew your re-entry permit regularly. As an naturalized citizen myself, and observing how recent immigrants from my home country have reacted to this administration's enforcement steps, what I guess will have to happen is that various populations may shift their perception of the options available to them and how to hedge against risks.
The relative ease of transitioning to a permanent status meant there was a greater incentive to invest in living in the US, both in material and cultural terms. That may now diminish, and immigrants may remit more of their wealth as a hedge. For immigrants of some countries, that has already been something on the mind now since much before even the first Trump administration. Even transitioning to permanent status has become much harder, leave alone obtaining citizenship.
Maybe this administration's stricter (and scarier style of) enforcement may spur that shift now, but it would have been foolish of immigrants from some countries to have not paid attention at all to the changing conditions over the last 10-15 years.
As a citizen, it saddens me that this administration is reducing incentives for new immigrants to invest here - buy properties, start businesses, start relationships etc. Immigrants will still come to make what they can, and then leave with all that experience and some of those assets, when that could have benefited the country. I am of course hardly the only person noticing how the drive to satisfy the nativist vote is leaving us kicking this gift horse in the mouth.
Pay in some professions is still way better than in their home countries.
Almost all my friends in Canada want to move here. 5 times more Canadians move to the US than Americans move to Canada. That's a damning statistic given that Canada's population is 10% of the US population - so on a per capita basis, it's a ratio of 50x.