[infecto]

I concede that I started the thread with a joke but wow you really are upset. Let’s take a step back. Apologies again for that joke it just the entire discussion reads like non-technical non-legal advice you get from the typical corporate IT.

Each entity and group have to consider the risks. I don’t think anything you’re trying to point at though is really useful for the discussion at hand. There is absolutely a use case for Claude code/cowork/codex and related tools to be used by non-technical folks. There is also a lot of figuring out in each of these groups. Unfortunately IT in most orgs in what I have seen have ignored the art of what’s possible for the last 3 years and now that we have hit this inflection point are scrambling to catch up but sadly the incentives are usually not aligned so they are really only incentivized to not take any risks.

[caminante]

> I concede that I started the thread with a joke but wow you really are upset.

You went further than "a joke."

You continued making aggressive, non-substantive remarks that were out of line.[0]

#1 > you have no idea about the details.

#2 > i don’t think you have a grasp what’s going on around you.

#3 > What is your deal about contract law? It’s not some mystical thing.

You wasted everyone's time.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[infecto]

If I am wasting your time then stop replying with links to the rules. Like I keep saying you guys are pointing out specific legal questions that only a business can answer and are not constructive to the main thread. Lots of leaps to conclusions and finger pointing which anecdotally aligns with what I have seen in corporate IT.

[Ucalegon]

There is a fundamental difference between non-technical users from using Claude, or any other LLM, for whatever reason and whatever they produce being produced into production.

There are significant reasons why an organization would not want to use Cowork, because it does not fall under Anthropic's ZDR [0], which is a huge issue for... anyone dealing with anything sensitive.

What I think this comes down to is that you value velocity regardless of whatever the costs. We will get to see how that solves itself, there are going to be a lot of billable hours that are going to figure that out.

But none of this means that you have any idea what you are talking about nor do you understand why individuals or organizations act the way that they do.

You are free to do it better. Please do.

[0] https://code.claude.com/docs/en/zero-data-retention#what-zdr...

[infecto]

Again you’re raising a bunch of issues that don’t matter in this thread and can only be answered by the specific business groups that are trying to utilize tools like Claude code. They are mostly worthy questions but you are attacking them very specifically and honestly I don’t think relevant to the discussion where someone talked about show the art of possible to people.

[Ucalegon]

So we have moved the goalposts to this point.

I am sorry you feel this way, it does not change the facts of whats being discussed, its just that you disagree and you lacked the initial courage or intellectual capabilities to express that constructively, so you had to obfuscate through providing nothing of value to the discussion via low value comments. I get that YOU don't think something, but just because YOU feel something doesn't make it valid, grounded in reason, or should be listened too.

Have a great rest of your day and weekend!

[infecto]

Others pointed it out better but you jumped to a conclusion in 30 seconds pointing out pointed legal and risk asks that don’t apply to the thread. Just look at the other threads of conversation where you go massively downvoted. You can capitalize YOU all you want but my point still stands. Yall are jumping to oddly specific conclusions that don’t matter in this thread. There is an absolutely interesting discussion around risk to be had but you attacking someone’s 30second paragraph about their anecdote does not open the door.

[Ucalegon]

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[infecto]

Sorry we hit a sore spot and I am sorry that I started the conversation poorly but I hope you also gain some self awareness that some of it was in how rude you yourself are.

Not sure by you keep thinking I have anything to prove to you. My point stands. The governance and risk are very valuable discussion and it’s going to change between industry and the trust level of each group.

Unfortunately most IT is short sighted and trying to play catchup. We had 3 years of thinking about how these tools are going to impact the workplace and are now rushing to catch up while also being insistent that Copilot is a worthwhile alternative. I generally disagree with that. I am not advocating that IT oppressive but that unfortunately most IT leaders are not technical and it shows.

[caminante]

This guy's acting in bad faith. Sorry you got swept into this.

[Ucalegon]

I know. I don't expect them to come up with anything, but its fun to see how far they will backtrack/change the goalposts and how much they will tie themselves into knots to try and justify their lack of integrity.

[infecto]

Says the “Cool story bro” guy.

My point has been consistent. You jumped to specific conclusions from a 30second post that adds little to the parent discussion.