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by wingspar 32 days ago
I’ve saved a message that was reposted by Bill Ackman on dealing with denials. Thankfully, never had occasion to use it yet:

>> So, your doctor ordered a test or treatment and your insurance company denied it. That is a typical cost saving method.

OK, here is what you do:

1. Call the insurance company and tell them you want to speak with the "HIPAA Compliance/Privacy Officer" (By federal law, they have to have one)

2. Then ask them for the NAMES as well as CREDENTIALS of every person accessing your record to make that decision of denial.

By law you have a right to that information.

3. They will almost always reverse the decision very shortly rather than admit that the committee is made of low paid HS graduates, looking at "criteria words." making the medical decision to deny your care. Even in the rare case it is made by medical personnel, it is unlikely that it is made by a board certified doctor in that specialty and they DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS!!

4. Any refusal should be reported to the US Office of Civil Rights (http://OCR.gov) as a HIPAA violation.

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Well that’s disappointing…
Seems useful, but bureaucracies don't refuse, they delay and obfuscate. So before trying this I would probably seek info on how to deal with bureaucratic realities.

Example: I had an inpatient hospital stay where the payment assistant person was never available, never returned calls. Not while I was in the hospital for days, nor in the weeks afterwards.

Technically, I "left against medical advice", though the last doctor I spoke to agreed with what I was doing.

Over two days of trying to manage costs, then 36 hours of planning and asking to leave all basically got me nowhere and I had to kind of force walk out.

I wonder if there are any records of people having success with this tactic.

It certainly sounds like something that could work.

Anyone looking for a startup idea? Here you go.
It'd be pretty dystopian if in order to get medical care Americans had to pay some middle man app/service so that it can fight with the middle man the private insurance company they were paying had already inserted between them and their doctor. All if it just raises the total cost of care for the American and absolutely none of it is necessary. The actual fix is to just get rid of the private insurance company and cover everyone's medical needs under a single payer plan.
You’re describing the status quo?
So far I only pay my insurance company to sit between me and my doctor and dictate what I need and I just do all the fighting with them myself instead of needing to pay someone else to do it on my behalf on top of what I pay the insurance company and the doctor.

I suppose that if I did pay someone else to more effectively fight the insurance company for me the insurance would have to pay for more of the medical care I need, and would invest in new and better ways to fight back, and my insurance costs would increase even faster. I'm happy that for now at least I don't have to finance both sides of an arms race in order to get the healthcare I've already been paying for.

IMO you're looking at it from your perspective only. Services to negotiate medical debt by interacting with the insurance company to find errors and/or intention denial -- these exist today -- you're giving me the impression you're healthy enough or well off enough to not need them?

I suppose we're not yet at the point where this gates services for all -- but we're CERTAINLY at the point where hospitals refuse to help you if you can't show ability to pay up front.

Ugh, this is a total shitshow. None of this is what it should be. Profit motive has absolutely corrupted everything.

Imagine this: patients buy an AI service to get approval. Insures build an AI to deny claims. 21st century AI wars..
Interesting
lmao someone in the comments works at such a company using ai to do this