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by newtonsmethod 46 days ago
Are we back to magic water and magic soil? Does the energy have some morality attached to it?

The emissions per kWh of energy used in providing internet downloads probably is similar to that per kWh of energy used for washing clothes.
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Aachen 45 days ago
You're not seriously trying to explain that a kWh is equal to a kWh. Why not cut the crap? Are you trying to say washing clothes is of equal importance to convenience features in a browser, given that we can use each clean kWh only once? I can't tell what you truly mean like this
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frozenseven 45 days ago
>a kWh is equal to a kWh

Yes, and it's none of your business how other people spend their electricity.

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vrganj 45 days ago
That's where we disagree. With our current system so reliant on fossil fuels, every kWh generated is a debt to our planet, our society.

Until that's resolved, I don't wish that debt incurred for frivolous uses.

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frozenseven 45 days ago
What do you mean you "disagree"? I pay for the electricity I use and I use it however I want.

Instead of trying to control other people, why can't you start with yourself? Throw away your phone/computer. Go live in a small hut. Practice what you preach.

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vrganj 45 days ago
You read what I wrote, you just chose not to engage with it and went into an ideological creed instead.

You may pay for it, but I and the rest of the planet incur the cost.

I can go live the life of a hermit and the above will still be true.

Your electricity use puts more pollution into our air. It burns our forests. It kills species we all depend on.

No man is an island. Your actions affect others. Just paying your indulgences does not make that basic fact away.

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dml2135 45 days ago
You are not paying for the total cost of the electricity you use.

You pay for a portion of it, in money.

The other portion of it is belched up into the atmosphere for future generations to pay.

You are incurring debt and forcing it upon others.

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frozenseven 45 days ago
>You are incurring debt and forcing it upon others.

You seem to have no problem whatsoever with using electricity yourself. So when do you get to tell me (or anyone else) how to live? And when does it stop? Btw, this is all bizarrely dramatic since we were talking about small local models anyway.

>future generations

Yeah, and some will also say (using the same arguments) that having children is harmful to the planet and we need "measures" to limit that too.

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