[dotancohen]

Last month I spoke to a woman driving a Porsche SUV. I was appalled to hear that she is trading it in for a Tesla model Y. I drive a Tesla, and I love it, but it is nowhere near the level of a Porsche. She claims that the model Y is quieter then the Porsche and she loves the self-driving. I advised her to take the Tesla for a long test drive before selling her Porshe, she said that her son in law has one.

[Infinitesimus]

That isn't surprising for most people. It is also hard to say without knowing which year and model Porsche she was driving. Someone with a Cayenne Turbo GT will have a different experience from someone with a 1st gen base Macan.

A juniper Model Y is very fast, no engine noise, can drive itself better than a lot of cars on the highway for a similar price, doesn't need gas - convenient if you have a fast charger at home/work, fewer moving parts to think about in your day to day and control.

I like knobs and AA and will never make that trade... but it makes perfect sense for many people who don't mind the interface.

I'm glad Genesis still has knobs and Lexus is getting back to that now. The German luxury cars can't rely on fantastic engines alone forever.

[walletdrainer]

IME the juniper model Y has crazy road and wind noise, it’s certainly louder in the cabin than my S63 which has a V8.

Fast? Sure.

[CrimsonRain]

It is true though. The level of porche is in the brand only; there isn't a single porche that is better than a juniper for a daily driver. She's making an excellent choice.

[jjtheblunt]

what's a juniper?

[CrimsonRain]

the 2025/2026 Model Y.

[jjtheblunt]

oh cool. i hadn't known that codename. thanks.

[walletdrainer]

Did you somehow get a juniper which doesn’t suffer from significant road and wind noise?

[thefounder]

Little she knows that if she uses the “self driving” from Tesla she may get into a death trap.

[sneak]

It’s way safer than most human drivers. I use it all of the time.

[thefounder]

A FSD vehicle is not supposed to require you to keep the hands on the wheel and be prepared at anytime to take over control. I would say Waymo has a FSD mode while Tesla has a death trap mode with its customers as the beta test drivers.

[r14c]

Do the stats back up your anecdote? iirc Tesla autopilot has some bad failure cases

[sneak]

humans kill ~400/day just in the usa

[solumunus]

It’s better than you?

[fragmede]

Than on the worst day of your life after your dog died and you didn't get any sleep? Yes.

[thefounder]

Maybe you shouldn’t drive that day. Tesla is not FSD. In case there is an accident you are the one responsible. Looking on a photo of your dog while Tesla is ramming into someone? Your day just got worse

[fragmede]

Yes. Let me just be sure to make only totally rational decisions like staying home instead of going to a friend's house while I'm emotionally distraught while driving. I'm sure everyone out there is able to accomplish that.

Tesla's, along with most other modern cars, have an AEB system, which hits the brakes if the driver is ramming into something.

[kakacik]

Marketing beats quality, also a valid approach.

Also a reason why suvs and their more ridiculous variants picked up so well. People don't need cars that are worse to drive, but sure as hell they want one because others have them.

[dotancohen]

Does Tesla do marketing? They don't advertise in my country.

[donkyrf]

Tesla historically focused on what marketers refer to as "earned media" rather than "paid media", but it was still marketing. Those Musk and Tesla headlines that happened around the world didn't occur by accident.

That said, they've also been buying ads for the last few years as their growth has sputtered in the face of competition.

[CrimsonRain]

So you want me to put my big luggage, 3 carry ons and a big stroller in a sedan trunk?

[dotancohen]

That has nothing to do with the conversion. However I've actually fit all that and more in my Model 3 Tesla. The trunks are huge.