[keepamovin]

You trust the agentic coding binaries no doubt?

So, your threat model is that I’m really building my business and reputation by creating illegal, criminal malware? Ponder that, is that really a plausible thing to you? You think that about me?

[Zetaphor]

No, I only use open source agents, weird of you to assume that I would make an exception just for agents. My threat model is that trust is earned, not given away to complete strangers who act hostile to simple inquiries.

I was sincerely interested in why you were choosing closed source, you decided to take it as an attack.

[keepamovin]

lol No, I didn’t take it as an attack (tho that's what it was) i just didn’t answer your question. If you’re not okay with that i guess you’ll need to figure that out yourself.

That’s where i was going with my reply - i wanted you to think more about it. You perceived it as hostile but really I was just asking you some questions, simple ones. It does seem like you’re projecting here, maybe consider that more.

Because even tho I didn't take it as an 'attack' it was an attack, really. Think: What are you saying: you don't trust some software that I wrote. What does that mean? That means you think it's going to do something bad. That means you think I'm going to try to do something bad to you, by this beautiful creative effort that I'm putting out. Like wut? You really are not a builder if you don't understand how that feels, for me, but also -if you don't see the problem with just thinking that's what I'm going to do, like that's crazy. Like you think it's okay to just accuse me of that, just casually, like what? And then you don't think I can saying anything about that - because otherwise I'm taking it as an attack. Which is what it was. So of course I'm going to say something, and I can. And if you don't like that - maybe think more before you accuse people of what you're just projecting.

So, I took it as ignorance, which is what it is, I assume, which is why I asked you questions. Because if I was going to give you my real answer, I don't think you would understand it. That's why I didn't answer your question, because I didn't feel you'd understand (why might that be? Because you just fake accused me of trying to do something I'm not doing?). Is that not obvious to you?

Anyway, what else were you saying? Not weird about agents, it’s so common. I guess you’re a little unusual in your fastidiousness about that. But that’s not a problem.

What about apps on your phone, are you okay with that? Or you have, like, a dumb phone?

If you do want to know my views on open source, maybe you can try your empathy and tell me why you think?

It’s okay if you don’t want to. I’m finding the interaction with you a little boring… lol

[Zetaphor]

Yeah I'm not reading all that. Good luck with your repo

[keepamovin]

Ah, so very considerate of you, well someone's read it, but the short version is: you have 0 right to attack or accuse me in any way. The fact that you want to, just shows you're a bad perosn. You're wrong. You assumed I'm doing something bad, but you don't know me, you tried to blame me for your prejudice, but that's just you, projecting, crazy.

[indexx_ing]

they weren't attacking you..

[keepamovin]

"Why do you want to protect your IP/time/effort rather than giving away your source code? I don't run binaries as a general rule, nothing to do with ghost, which looks cool, btw." is totally fair.

Assuming bad intent, malware, or hidden wrongdoing is not neutral criticism - it is warrantless attack.

[d1sxeyes]

No-one knows who you are, and you’re clearly not against using something like GH Actions in a way other than its intended purpose. What’s to say you won’t pivot to running a tiny VM on my machine and making it available to others?

[keepamovin]

Is that right? Well, some people know. I’m Cris, and you are?

But wait I’ve been building so much, for all this time, but you think what I’ve really being doing is building malware, and there’ve been no consequences, somehow nobody’s noticed and I’ve just “gotten away with it”?

Go check out my GitHub: https://github.com/crisdosaygo

[d1sxeyes]

I don’t think anything, and I’m not accusing you of anything, I’m just saying, a lot of folks started with pure motives and got poisoned along the way.

For what it’s worth, it’s not very reassuring that you have a bunch of open source projects but you’ve decided this one is not going to be. Rather than showing I can trust you, it rather makes me wonder what you’re hiding.

The answer may well be nothing, but it’s still strange.

[keepamovin]

I get you might feel that way about it, but that’s not how it is.

The strange thing is your reaction, don’t you think: If you see a proprietary source product and you think “what’s it hiding?” and if you can’t respect a boundary of not revealing source without projecting an imagined bad onto that, that’s just you, my dude, and I’m not responsible how you react at all.

So you might wanna try to put your mistaken attitude on me, but really you need to own that. And your attitude seems mistakenly entitled.

Also the trust issues are warrantless. And, in reality, if you look at my projects, the most important ones are not “open source”.

You judged too quickly, without context, like many here and arrived at conclusions that are just not warranted.

You shouldn’t be arguing with anyone about that because why you came to those doubts or conclusions is something you have to figure out yourself, it’s not something anyone else can help you with.

> I’m just saying, a lot of folks started with pure motives and got poisoned along the way.

That’s not how I see things. That’s not been my experience of the world. I understand if it’s been yours though. Poor you. I guess in that case my advice is just try to keep in mind that not everyone is gonna have the same kind of negative outlook as you and try to be understanding towards them. There’s a lot of good in the world if you open your eyes to it, I hope you find some.

[d1sxeyes]

> if you can’t respect a boundary of not revealing source without projecting an imagined bad onto that, that’s just you, my dude, and I’m not responsible how you react at all

I’m responding to the change, as something worth scrutiny. You used to publish open source projects, now this is closed source. Why?

> So you might wanna try to put your mistaken attitude on me, but really you need to own that. And your attitude seems mistakenly entitled

What mistaken attitude, what am I putting on you, and what is my “entitlement”?

> You judged too quickly > You shouldn’t be arguing > my advice is

Please stop dressing up your arguments as some kind of metaphysical commentary on my character. I don’t need advice, I didn’t judge you, and I didn’t plan on arguing. You built something, some people think it’s cool, a lot of people think it’s problematic. You want to keep it closed source, some people find that worrying.

Keep your faux pity for yourself, engage with me in good faith on the merits of the points I’m making, otherwise we’re done here.

[keepamovin]

You think I owe you source code, is entitled. You project strange onto change, is low empathy. There's no metaphysics, your unwarranted criticism is a reflection of your character. Don't pretend your weird subjective reaction is anything I need to respond to, nor any reflection of me - it's just you.

You have 0 right to attack or accuse me in any way. That you think you do makes you even more entitled and low empahty. Geez....

[Zetaphor]

Their pattern here of immediately going on the offensive to even the smallest amount of inquiry or criticism is totally normal and not at all suspicious.

Maybe they're just having a bad day. Friendly reminder that you don't have to respond to something as soon as you read it, or even at all.

[keepamovin]

Dishonest. You have no idea about me, Plus "I don't trust your work" is an attack, it's not a neutral inquiry.

You tried to launder that through a question but it got rejected and exposed. And you can't cover that up now, no matter how much you try ever again.

[Zetaphor]

Touch grass