[BeetleB]

> I also think that doing layoffs in the US should disqualify you from doing any PERM or sponsoring any visa for 2-3 years.

This is a very SW mindset, and makes no sense in other circumstances.

If my company canceled a large SW project, and laid off a lot of SW folks, why should that prevent them from sponsoring someone to work on nanoelectronics?

[xingped]

In this day and age where every company is playing _very_ fast and loose with their LPR/citizen employees' lives and livelihoods, yes, I think PERM should be a very strict and easily lost privilege across the board for the whole company, not a right. If we had sane employee protections in this country maybe my opinion would be different.

[garyfirestorm]

I have been both on visa side of things and LPR/citizen side of things. I don’t understand this mindset lpr|citizen>>perm|visa. As if the perm/visa individual has no life and can easily pack a handbag and leave tomorrow. Not defending any processes here just pointing out people (perm or not) buy homes/cars have kids in schools etc and by the time they get to perm process they are pretty much ingrained here. The viewpoint of ‘discarding’ batches of perms sounds very hypocritical.

[xingped]

It's not about you, you're just an unfortunate individual caught in the crossfire, and in some ways I am sorry about that. However I think it's important for countries to look after their own citizens first before foreign peoples who want/have a job here. Yes, you may have made many efforts to integrate permanently, but if you're not on a permanent status yet, then those are choices you always made knowing you're still on a temporary status. It's not hypocritical at all.

Edit: I want to say that I am not saying this from a place of no compassion, however harsh my opinions may seem. I have multiple close friends that are not LPRs/citizens yet and have been the shoulder to cry on when things go sideways. I empathise, I do, but my opinion remains the same that countries should look after their LPRs/citizens strongly first.

[catlifeonmars]

> why should that prevent them from sponsoring someone to work on nanoelectronics?

Because companies should be held accountable when they make mistakes in hiring. The employees shouldn’t have to bear the burden of their employers mistakes.

[philwelch]

If the penalty for hiring too many people for the wrong job role is being barred from hiring people ever again even for a different job role, then companies are just not going to hire people in the first place.

[dominotw]

you comment ironically is sw mindset ..well akshually.

everyone knows the gotcha you are think you have uniquely discovered. ppl are just tired of the whole thing and want absolute rules that are easily understood and transparent.

[sharts]

Uh because they are mot children? You cancel a project that was ill conceived, and we are to believe the second one is not also ill conceived?

Yes, if aren’t being responsible with your hiring then you don’t get to mess with the talent pool. People aren’t automatons.