[Meekro]

I really want to like Zed because they've clearly put so much work into it, but so far I've been sticking with Sublime. I have several large PHP projects that were started in the 2010-2020 era, and Zed will highlight and complain about all sorts of minor things that were standard PHP fare at the time: functions without return types, for example. My code (which works fine) looks like an ocean of red when I view it with Zed, and turning all those warnings off is not trivial.

For each kind of warning, I wish there was a button that said "don't warn me again about issues like this one in this project." Then I could keep the interesting warnings (like undeclared variable) and ditch the ridiculous ones.

[masklinn]

> My code (which works fine) looks like an ocean of red when I view it with Zed, and turning all those warnings off is not trivial.

Isn't it just the default configuration of whatever LSP zed defaults to for PHP?

So you should be able to either configure the LSP to avoid that or disable the LSP server entirely.

[Meekro]

Coming from Sublime, I'd never even heard of a Language Server when I first tried Zed. As I recall, disabling particular kinds of warnings required copy-pasting some pretty exotic incantations into my project config. All of it was poorly documented, and it felt like I was doing something nobody expected me to do. Instead, I should have been able to mouse over a particular warning and say "don't warn me again about things like this", at which point Zed should edit the project config for me.

[rob74]

Well, PHPStorm (and the other JetBrains IDEs) does it this way. You can disable a certain "inspection" globally, per project, per file, per method or just for one occurence - the last three work by inserting annotations into the code. Then again, PHPStorm costs money (not just if you want AI assistance), and is based on (drum roll) Java technology (although JetBrains don't advertise this fact a lot nowadays).

[throawayonthe]

that does sound like a pretty nice ui idea to add to code actions (command + .), it already lets you one-click add an ignore comment iirc so probably not too hard to wire a global per-project option

however, i think LSP or integrated linters/typecheckers have been standard fare in editors for a while now (zed does seem to have a lot more set up by default, but i like the sane defaults most of the time). The "correct" solution would be to configure whatever lsp zed is running for the project the way you want, and reap the benefits even outside of zed. for php the tools are listed here: https://zed.dev/docs/languages/php the main one seems to be Phpactor and you should be able to configure it globally or per project https://phpactor.readthedocs.io/en/master/usage/configuratio...

but i understand the frustration, sometimes i try to navigate an ancient python codebase and it really is a sea of red

[Groxx]

Yeah, I really can't stand every vscode has done to the ecosystem for settings. JSON as a storage format for config is entirely fine, but it's a truly awful UX for changing things. But they're successful and it's easy to build, so everyone mindlessly copies them.

[spockz]

Mind you that vscode does have an ui to change the settings. Also it has code completion when editing the json because of the linked json schema.

[Groxx]

It has a UI to change some of the settings. And not even all of the settings with autocomplete help - I have no idea why those aren't equivalent to each other at least as a fallback, but they very clearly are not. And plugins frequently have major settings documentation gaps, including absolutely massively used ones like Go.

Compare that to something like a JetBrains product.

[DangitBobby]

Zed is highly configurable via JSON (so already puts them in a tier above many editors) and also for some things like shortcuts provides an actual interface for editing that JSON. I imagine as time goes on they'll expose more interfaces for editing configurations. For now I'll take JSON over nothing/gui-only.

[iknowstuff]

You should learn about LSPs

[mtoner23]

LSP is how all editors work today and its simplified everything so so much. you should figure them out

[_verandaguy]

While this comment is overly general (some major editors ship without LSP support built in; many more do not have a sane configuration out-of-the-box), it is useful to learn about them and how your editor of choice integrates with them.

The landscape isn't generally intuitive, unfortunately, and while it's getting better, understanding the differences and interop places between LSP, Treesitter, DAP, your editor, and the underlying language-specific tooling can be a big, confusing time hog.

That said, and to be clear: LSP's been a huge boon for me. I used a minimal, kinda-broken configuration for a while with Python, then rebuilt the whole thing when I switched to Rust for work, and holy hell, this thing's awesome.

[nickelpro]

This is way too equivocating.

You are a craftsman, learn your tools. Could you imagine the equivalent from other professionals? A machinist saying, "Understanding the differences and interop places between the DRO, hand controls, and CNC controls for the lathe can be a big confusing time hog."

It takes a couple of hours, and it's a tool you use every single day. Learning how it works is the price of entry, not a mountain to overcome.

[_verandaguy]

It is a fact that some useful things in the software world are a pain in the ass to learn, and that they could be better on that front.

LSP is one of those things, or at least it has been, for a while.

LSP is also something that's not necessary to writing quality code; it's absolutely a major quality-of-life boost, but before rewriting my configs after switching to Rust, my LSP usage was limited to being a slightly faster autocomplete engine more than anything. I didn't have keybinds set up for going to definitions, implementations, or references of symbols. I still put out what I think was decent code. I'm also better off now that I've adopted a more useful config.

IMO it's an important part of this industry (among others) to let developers have whatever workflow they want, within reason. If someone decides they want to invest the time into setting up LSP with their editor, that's their prerogative. If not, that's fine too. I don't know who among my present or past coworkers use LSP outside of occasionally chatting about editor configs with one or two of them, because they've usually figured out a workflow that lets them produce respectable code, and I've never had to question their tooling before questioning their methodology.

[serf]

lol ok but where does it stop?

I got into programming long before LSPs and MCPs.

The only craftsmen are the ones at the edge of the lingo tree?

To use your own analogy, as a machinist myself : I can master the concept of the lathe and bow drill without learning simulation-driven CAM, and I would be no less a machinist than the guy pressing buttons on a brand new Haas.

If you work via notepad.exe and assembly with a compiler and linker ready in the next window, fine! the work is what matters.

[daemin]

Except these days companies are telling you to not be a craftsman but a supervisor.

I want to be a craftsman and know my tools and want to actually enjoy using them, but it's becoming less accepted to do so.

[alwillis]

AI agents also use LSP to be more efficient with source code [1].

[1]: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/plugins-reference#lsp-server...

[parampampam]

Definitely not all.

[tecoholic]

If you have never used an LSP and don’t need it, you can just turn the LSP off. I do it from the UI (thunderbolt icon on bottom bar I think) for some projects which don’t have LSP typing support. There should also be a setting to turn off permanently.

[meatloaf_man]

https://xkcd.com/1172/

[keithnz]

you could just get your AI to configure it for you

[Lalabadie]

IIRC, Zed uses PHPactor by default. It's a mess for Kirby projects as well.

Edit for clarity: I want to fully switch to Zed, I really like it and their vision for the editor. PHP issues are a hurdle, not a turnoff to me.

[giancarlostoro]

I love Sublime, but I don't want to pay to upgrade from 3 to whatever version it is now, Zed is everything I wanted Sublime to be. Honestly, I wanted VS Code but fully native, and I feel like that's what I'm getting from Zed.

I feel like some people will be put off by all the "AI" mentioned by Zed, but you're sleeping on a top tier editor where you can just ignore the AI stuff if you don't want it. It's very high quality, and probably the reason I wont be renewing next year for JetBrains, unless JetBrains does something impressive, I thought by now they'd have a more native feeling IDE that handles most / any language instead of so many separate ones.

VS Code has gotten so bloated over the years. The gold standard of ST has spoiled me with simpler editors. Zed is the first time I felt like someone finally built an editor that is modern and has a rich set of features.

[nicoburns]

> I love Sublime, but I don't want to pay to upgrade from 3 to whatever version it is now

I don't know what your financial situation is, but given that the upgrade is an $80 one off payment (a new license is $99), that it's a per-user license (not per-machine), and that there were 8 years between Sublime Text 3 (2013) and Sublime Text 4 (2021) (only major versions require a new license), I personally think it's very reasonably priced.

[Meekro]

Agreed-- Sublime is asking $99 right now, which is quite reasonable for something that you're going to use for hours a day in your professional work. Somebody gave many years of their life to make that tool the best it could be, and as a well-paid professional, I feel it's more than fair. In other high-end professions (like the legal field), I've heard of law firms paying a lot more than $99 for certain software licenses.

That said, there are a lot of reasons why someone might be struggling with money. If I was the creator, I wouldn't object to someone using an unlicensed copy forever in that case.

[GuB-42]

It is "one time" in the sense that it will never stop working, unlike a subscription model.

You are however limited to 3 years of updates, so if you want to keep up to date, it is $80 for 3 years. Which if fine for me, it is the one piece of software I used the most except for the browser and OS, I even use it to make money, $80 / 3 years is not much.

It is also the kind of software I like to support. It is... respectful in that it isn't a resource hog, runs fast, launches fast, and it doesn't try to be anything but a text editor. No ads, no subscription, no cloud, no AI, no slop, no dark patterns, no enshittification. Just an executable that does what it say it will do, and does it well. I wish it was open source, but it works well enough out of the box to not need it.

[nicoburns]

Ah, you are correct. I thought a renewal was only required for a new major version after 3 years. But it's actually any update after 3 years. Which is still pretty reasonable (but not quite such a good deal)!

[albedoa]

I also thought that it was perpetual. Maybe they changed it. Either way, the three-year subscription is news to me.

[nicoburns]

It's perpetual for the version you buy. 3 years of updates.

And tbh, Sublime Text is pretty stable and the kind of program you could probably get away without updating for some time if you wanted to. Things like LSP support are in 3rd party packages (that are open source, not subject to the license), so you'd get updates for those anyway.

[gozzoo]

I'm using the latest free/unregistered version (4200) and I haven't experienced any limitiation so far

[ziml77]

There isn't any other than the occasional message when you save that tells you to buy the product. It's about as close to freeware as a paid product can get.

I do suggest people pay though, it's cheap for a one-time purchase. The only reason I've ever seen the message at all is because I spent months being too lazy to dig up the license key to send to my work email. (That should also say something about how little I was being bothered by the message too)

[8note]

on paid 3, i get a popup every time i try to do anything telling me i must upgrade and pay again, so i've steadily just stopped using sublime. Didn't install it on the new computer

[pverheggen]

I don't like that it upgrades to ST4 without telling you, but there's a simple workaround if you want to continue using your ST3 license. Download the latest stable build of ST3 from their website:

https://www.sublimetext.com/3

And then add

  “update_check”: false

to your user settings.

[giancarlostoro]

I can't justify upgrading Sublime if I don't even find myself using ST3 I just don't see what 4 offers that would entice me, and compared to Zed, I get way more out of it.

[nh2]

I tried Zed last month but found that it uses high CPU usage even when idle (up to 50% of 1 core of my i7-7500U).

This is even higher CPU usage than my vscode causes.

Sublime does not do that; in fact it has 0% CPU usage when idle:

    sudo strace -fyp "$(pidof sublime_text)"

shows that Sublime issues no syscalls when idle, as it should be.

(Note, you need to either unfocus it so that the caret stops flashing, or switch from fading caret to fixed / non-fading caret, otherwise it necessarily has to do syscalls to draw itself.)

Zed spams syscalls even when its screen is entirely still:

    strace -fyp "$(pidof zed-editor)"

In fact Zed makes 800 syscalls per second when completely idle and unfocused.

[nh2]

Syscall spamming is one of the main reasons why computers get slow when many apps are running.

Good software does not do that; when idle, it should only consume RAM, not CPU.

Aside: Browsers, and Electron, seem to always syscall-spam no matter what, which is probably a key reason why people feel that all Electron apps bog down their computers. When your computer gets faster, the software just does more syscall loops per second, for unchanged misery.

[conartist6]

From what I recall they generally avoid caching anything and just try to repaint the whole UI really, really fast on every frame so I think that's the design.

It's like how a video game renders, which is their stated goal from the beginning.

I always thought their stated design goals were a bit... wonky.

[lstodd]

If you look into strace of something like IMGUI demo on say sdl2+opengl backend, you'll see about same syscall/sec number at 60 fps, but it'll all be sequences of writev, recvmsg, poll, clock_gettime and DRM_IOCTL_SYNCOBJ_ ioctls. Which is basically just polling for input and submitting gpu command buffers, nothing expensive, and nothing a cache can help with.

[nh2]

That does not really matter though: Even immediate-mode approach programs should just not be drawing new frames when the program logic says that there are no new inputs that can result in different pixels (e.g. no user inputs, animations, notifications, text content changes, etc.). One does not need to "poll" for input.

[lstodd]

> Even immediate-mode approach programs should just not be drawing new frames

They can't not. When the backend asks for a frame you give it a frame, or the result is not defined (a black rectangle instead of window content usually).

Even if you don't redraw anything at all it's still a 2d blit from gpu memory which is two triangles, a texture and sync object. Or you need to tell the window manager what's the window content this frame by any other way which also inevitably crossess process boundaries and thus is a bunch of syscalls. Plus you need to poll for input anyway.

edit: by "poll for input" I mean the literal poll() syscall. Which is ofc the basis of async and all. How else do you get to know there was any input?

[conartist6]

But a video game does!

You see why I think their logic that an IDE should work exactly like a video game does is not as strong as it sounds at first.

They claim browser engines just lack the raw speed to build an experience like Zed, but I know of no reason that it should be true.

[chromadon]

I've found that some of the language servers can really grind up a storm but Zed itself is usually pretty lightweight.

[nh2]

Can you repro my finding?

I'm running on a Zed with only 1 empty text file in it. So language servers should not be in use.

How do you measure "pretty lightweight"?

[frio]

I've always thought of it as lightweight, but checking it now, wow.

[vunderba]

I finally moved off Sublime a few months ago because I wanted something open source and stumbled on KDE/kate. It's been a perfect substitute.

https://github.com/kde/kate

[giancarlostoro]

Actually, I do like Kate, but Zed seems to give me the best of everything I want. It's like they know exactly what I want out of an editor, they provide way more than I need, but that is okay too.

[vunderba]

I think I need to give Zed another look. A while back, it seemed like they’d shifted gears toward prioritizing AI, and I lost interest because I was looking for a more pure IDE with solid LSP support, good debugging tools, and so on.

[kstrauser]

They've prioritized supporting AI for people who want to use it, but it's highly respectful of devs who don't want to.

[sieve]

Kate is REALLY underrated. The UI is a bit meh, but it makes up for it in terms of features. It is actually a fantastic document editor. Don't really use it for coding.

[netcoyote]

I've tried a lot of editors, including Zed, and always come back to Sublime Text.

I use it every day. The #1 reason is because it never loses unsaved files (though I'm still working on breaking the habit of typing a few characters and pressing Ctrl-S). Column editing! Macros! Record/Playback! Configuration! Plugins! Responsiveness! Low resource utilization! Etc!

Why wouldn't I pay for it? I've bought all four versions. The author deserves to be paid.

I guess the question is: why don't you want to pay for it? Assuming here that you're a professional coder being paid a reasonable, US-equivalent salary. I understand not everyone fits that situation; plenty of us pirated software as starving college students / interns, folks in other countries don't get the same pay for the same work, etc.

We should all want to pay the authors of great software. We're on HN, which is a celebration of creating great code and awesome businesses.

"Pay him. Pay that man his money" - Teddy KGB

[hackermanai]

> never loses unsaved files

This is a big one indeed. I keep many unsaved tmp notes and pastes open all the time. Sublime Text also have it's super smooth pane and window management, so easy to select many tabs, drag and drop tabs to windows etc. Never mind what is unsaved and not. Everything always there on open anyway.

I think this is a highly requested feature in Zed as well, but not sure if they are actually working on this or not.

[Cthulhu_]

The AI stuff was a lot more prominent in an earlier version, but they tweaked it a bit. It's the same with Warp forcing a login at first.

Jetbrains is a heavyweight IDE, but I'm not sure if the weight is worth the features it offers anymore, at least for the things I work on.

VS Code is also an IDE, but it's a bit easier on resources depending on what plugins you use and what you allow them to do. I've had combinations of plugins that caused my whole system to freeze up with too much memory usage because it spawned several Node processes each taking up multiple GBs of memory :/.

[giancarlostoro]

> VS Code is also an IDE

I always called it a Lightweight IDE. ;)

[daemin]

With Zed touting itself as an AI first editor, is it possible to completely disable all AI features so that you never have to look at the equivalent of a copilot icon ever again? I don't want to have to spend energy to actively ignore these things.

[nacs]

I only installed it today for the first time but yes it does have a very prominent button to completely disable all AI.

[daemin]

Thanks, I might give it a spin on the weekend then and see how well it performs compared to Sublime Text. If what other people say here are true - as in it uses considerable CPU and GPU resources being idle - then I'll know it's not a usable piece of software.

[nacs]

Just checked since you made me curious. With 1 PHP and 1 nodejs project in 2 windows, here's the usage (on Ubuntu Linux):

   Zed is using:
   - CPU: 4.7%
   - RSS: ~2.1 GB

The bulk of it is language servers (TypeScript/tsserver is adding ~600MB). Zed by itself is ~790MB RAM.

[daemin]

Is it constantly using that 4.7% CPU? (which could be one or two CPU cores depending on the processor).

For (what should be) an event driven application using any amount of CPU just sitting there idle is a big no-no. Anyone on a laptop should pay attention.

[frizlab]

Given the price and the fact it’s a WinRAR-style model, I really don’t mind ST being paid.

[Cthulhu_]

I also loved / want to love ST but it seems its ecosystem has collapsed, a lot of plugins haven't had an update in over 5 years.

[pjmlp]

Eventually Zed devs will need to get money that isn't coming out of VCs...

[rolymath]

How much did you pay for doordash last month?

[hakunin]

I'm also sticking with Sublime for many years, and at this point it feels like it is some kind of old man stubbornness (like George R.R. Martin using WordStar 4.0 type thing). I don't know why its ergonomics for me have been just unbeatable. I gave others (VSCode and Zed) good weeks and months of configuring them to my liking and using them exlusively, and always returned to Sublime. All the AI stuff just runs on the side in the terminal (iTerm2 for me, but checking in on Ghostty sometimes too, waiting on them to figure out their minimal text brightness feature).

[maratc]

As you mentioned iTerm, you should also check out TextMate, the thing that Sublime Text was inspired by.

[hakunin]

I used TextMate prior to Sublime, but then I became into vim mode, which TM never got I believe.

[maratc]

I used vim before TextMate but TM has multiple cursors where vim has none, and I use that every day. The closest thing to that in vim is "repeat edit" but your edits need to be somewhat trivial to be repeat-able. Next is vim macros but that is too complicated already.

[hakunin]

Yeah, and Sublime has both: vim mode and multiple cursors.

[frizlab]

Interesting! I tried Zed too, and not knowing Sublime, I switched to it instead after a while…

I’m not sure why though. I do not have the issue you do, but Sublime feels better.

[dmix]

Had the same experience with a rails project, it injected an LSP+linter we don't use in our project and it has really annoying to figure out how to disable it in a settings. Having to debug an editor's settings JSON the first time you use it is not a good UX, it should be optional to enable it instead of assuming we want aggressive on-save linting/autoformatting (that the repo doesn't even have configuration files).

[WD-42]

You should be able to just turn off the language server. Go to the lightning bolt icon in the bottom bar, "Stop all servers" or just the PHP one lighting up your source code.

[bigstrat2003]

Zed felt it had the right to download, install, and run node.js without any permission just to run some LSP (which I don't even use). When I mentioned it here, the devs said that they felt that was fine because their priority was to make things seamless for users such that they don't have to install the LSP manually. Sublime Text, on the other hand, has never installed anything I haven't explicitly asked it to.

I'm sticking with Sublime Text, as its developers actually respect boundaries on my computer.

[hackermanai]

> Zed felt it had the right to download, install, and run node.js without any permission just to run some LSP (which I don't even use).

Yes. This is bad. Zed keeps installing and running all sorts of random background stuff. This should be an opt-in.

[ibejoeb]

I love Zed, but I hear you. It's a very fast and capable editor with lots of IDE features, but it's lacking comfortable ways of tuning it for specific projects. (This is a problem with every general purpose, everything-to-everyone kind of IDE versus stack "native" IDEs that are geared toward the one true way of developing for particular target.) The configuration file structure is arcane, and it certainly not clear what the boundaries are between language feature configuration, LSPs, built-in and third-party code quality tools, etc.

I eat the cost of configuring it manually when I start up something new because it's just not that big of deal, even when you're like me, working across myriad languages and frameworks and organization with varying standards. It's not ideal, but it's not deal-breaker.

I do wish that there was a better way to definitively set it up a particular way and know that it is doing what you want it to do. I want something like presets/profiles. If I'm working with typescript, I want to be able to set it up to use a specific version of tsc, eslint, prettier; I also want to be able to create a different one with biome; I want it to work correctly whether I have my source in the project root or in a sub directory or in a monorepo tree.

Fairness to Zed: it is difficult to support all of these permutations, but I do think that they ought to be able to do something better to abstract these things and make the reusable.

[pverheggen]

The standard approach these days is to have all of those declared in a config file somewhere in your project. That way, other contributors (and the CI) can lint/format consistently.

Even if it's for solo projects, it's nice that you don't have to update them in lockstep. As in, you revisit an older repo, you don't get bombarded with squiggly lines from your latest user profile, instead you can upgrade it at your leisure.

[ibejoeb]

True, and not disputing that. Two points:

1. I want to be able to readily duplicate that configuration for another similar project.

2. It's not always appropriate to co-locate those specific files within the project source itself, especially within a source repository. Notable cases are if we're working on different platforms with different binary paths, or if we're not standardized on a particular editor. I should be able to configure my editor without polluting the common source.

[sixtyj]

Sidenote: Sublime remembers all tabs even those unsaved. (Software update deletes this memory.)

[askedrelic]

I use Sublime as a scratchpad and never save anything, so this is an important feature for me. It's worked flawlessly for years.

I've tried Zed several times like this and it continues to lose data.

[ben-schaaf]

> Software update deletes this memory.

While there was a bug where the session was lost when updating, this was fixed years ago.

[sixtyj]

Great, good to know. Thanks. I wasn’t brave enough to test, so I hope you are a human not a dog that tries to prank me :))

[nh2]

> Software update deletes this memory.

Are you sure? I believe Sublime preserves all your unsaved tabs even on update.

[sixtyj]

Last time I have updated (half a year ago) it deleted tabs. And since that time I haven’t been brave enough to update it again as I have too many tabs unsaved :)

[8note]

i lost all the open tabs last time i upgraded sublime.

burned once, twice shy; i wouldnt update without spending an hour making up names for random junk files

[nh2]

I have not lost any Sublime tab in 15 years (I have tabs this old).

Sublime also saves a backup of its state files next to the state files in your home dir, so you can restore in case anything ever goes wrong (e.g. bugs in the new version).

The .sublime_session state files are JSON, easy to read for a human.

> spending an hour making up names for random junk files

That is completely unnecessary. You can just backup the '.sublime_session' file that contains all that before an upgrade if you are worried. Sublime already stores all its state in 1 file; manually spreading that across N files seems unfun busywork. A quick web search reveals that by the way.

(I perpetually have 40 Sublime windows open, each one with tens to hundreds of tabs. My 'Auto Save Session.sublime_session' is 70 MB.)

[sixtyj]

It's a shame I didn't know that. Thanks.

[levkk]

This is just a language server problem. I'm sure you can configure whatever language server PHP is using to disable specific warnings, etc.

[swiftcoder]

> I'm sure you can configure whatever language server PHP is using to disable specific warnings, etc

You may be able to do this by editing a language server-specific config file in whatever arcane syntax they decided to offer. But there isn't any editor support for configuring languages servers, so it's a bit of a lift for a newcomer who just wants to turn off some warnings

[Meekro]

I think the application should own its dependencies and its default config. In this case, it felt to me like no one had really looked at them.

[charcircuit]

Editors should take full responsibility of the user experience. The user should not have to care about the existence of language servers.

[Perz1val]

We use intelphense with vscode and it's only mildly red (zf1 mutant project). It also understands stubs from phpstorm. Default lsp for Zed is phpactor and it was just an inferior experience compared to intelephense (free) in vs code last time I tried. Now there's even a guide for adding intelephense to zed, but I'm yet to try it out.

[sieve]

I was using JetBrains for more than a decade. Then I got into Python as well and so was juggling between WebStorm, PyCharm, CLion and Intellij Idea. Zed has replaced the first three completely. Put the appropriate config file in project root for whichever LSP/linter/tool is running, and most of these warnings disappear.

Writing C in Zed is a wonderful experience. The LSPs surface errors in an manner that is very easy to view and edit.

My main issues with Zed are:

- Word-wrap: I prefer on-demand, and I haven't been able to figure out which setting triggers that. Of if it is even possible.

- Support for Devanagari and other scripts: I use it as a markdown editor to proofread old texts and it is inadequate for that purpose. Kate/Featherpad offers a superior experience for this, including the ability to zoom to see those visually difficult to parse conjunct consonants.

[renticulous]

Going forward there will be one version of Jetbrains IDE and clion, webstorm, etc will be all just plugins.

[vovavili]

I anticipate that Zed's rate of improvement will be faster that Jetbrains', a small team of highly competent developers always moves faster than a big business. I've been maining PyCharm/IDEA for years, but Zed has gotten so good that I already see few real reasons to come back.

[andersonpico]

is this really the case ? I thought they had given up on fleet

[mosdl]

A bit confused - Idea supports pythong and ts/js, why the need for three?

[Sohcahtoa82]

> pythong

Glad I'm not the only one that frequently makes this typo.

[kstrauser]

You are not, I assure you.

[sieve]

The UI is a bit different for each and I got used to the differences I guess. I have a lot of projects and I pick one IDE for each and then do not deviate from it.

[excusable]

For your fist point, is the command `editor: toggle soft wrap` what you want?

[progmetaldev]

I've worked with mostly PHP from this era, or at least developers that are from this era. The code still runs fine, and not having things like return types don't make the code less able to run (just not as easy to catch bugs).

I haven't used Zed, but can you choose the PHP version, or point to a PHP executable for warnings/errors? I know in VS Code, you point to the PHP executable for the version you are using, to catch errors. I haven't created a new PHP project in quite some time, but I did work on many older PHP projects, and never had this issue with VS Code. I suspect even if you don't go about it this way, there has to be configuration to specify what is and isn't an error vs. warning.

[thinkingtoilet]

If you're using zed, couldn't you use AI to fix something like that? Those copy and paste type changes over a code base is something AI assistants are really good at.

[Meekro]

I could! I'd probably have to take it piece by piece, rather than telling an AI to edit hundreds of files in one epic session and hoping for the best. Even just reviewing a commit that large feels like it would be a bad use of time. Also, giving every variable a type (or using "mixed" everywhere), and giving every function a return type (more "mixed" or "void") would just make the code more verbose without any justification that I can see.

With Zed, I feel like I'm being dragged into a modern style guide that I never agreed to. It would be nicer if I could make it my own by turning off those parts that I disagree with and keeping the rest. I know this is technically possible, but they've certainly not made it easy.

[kyleee]

Have you investigated if the lsp and linter is configurable

[LukaD]

From what I can gather from a cursory glance at the docs, zed uses intelephense and its diagnostics can be disabled. The whole lsp can be disabled. At the risk of sounding like I'm saying "you're holding it wrong", I have to say that this is an OP problem and not a Zed problem. These are sensible defaults that work for almost everyone, in my opinion.

[bmandale]

There are no "defaults that work for everyone". Well designed tooling acknowledges that and makes it easy to tune the software to your preference.

[lthi747]

It just doesn’t play bice with PHP, I always wanted to uniform my stack before with vscode, now with zed. But PHPStorm always win.

It really there is no realy good ide or tools for php

[Nesco]

Same, I really want to like Zed but LazyVim covers my every need

[throwatdem12311]

I still stick with Sublime because when I give them money they haven’t given me reason to believe they’re going to waste that money putting in AI slop features I don’t want.