[jemmyw]

Engage with your kids. Don't give them personal devices until they're a bit older. Monitor their usage properly with your own senses, not with "parental controls". Talk to them about what they do.

If they're minded to bypass all that then they're going to bypass any technical block you put on anyway.

[Aunche]

Parents want another option between their child being shown harmful content on social media and signing up their child up to be a pariah because they're not allowed to use social media altogether.

[jemmyw]

What I've suggested is the alternative. What we're going to get is kids banned from social media altogether. And I'm not 100% against that because my kids didn't really use it because we introduced it gently while talking about it a lot with them.

But when I say not 100% against, maybe 75% against it. The idea of age checking operating systems and browsers I'm very much against. Ban devices in schools: fine, it's a place of learning and there are always specific rules in shared environments.

[kelseyfrog]

That's the option we have now and it's not working. Please suggest and alternative that works.

[geoffmanning]

Maybe suck less at being a parent? Just throwing it out there. You actually need to do the work.

[kelseyfrog]

I'm talking about parents in aggregate. It's not working. Please suggest something that works en mass.

[jimbooonooo]

You are the person requesting others comply (on behalf of the aggregate) the onus is on you to provide this solution. The solution that was provided, specifically engaged parenting, is the appropriate response.

[kelseyfrog]

Nope, because it will be passed unless you come to the negotiating table in good faith. The truth is that all this resistance mean you don't get a seat at the table, will be left out of discussions and your worst fears will come to pass because you took a hard-line position.

Good luck. People who aren't willing to collaborate don't get what they want.

[9dev]

My god. People like you are the reason we can’t have nice things.

[potsandpans]

This is rich. Really setting the terms here huh? So tough and scary on the internet.

It's really adorable.

[mmastrac]

Maybe we should require a license to have kids if it's not working as it is.

[kelseyfrog]

I can't believe a license for kids is less infringing on rights than age verification. Please be serious.

[daurentius523]

For people without desire to have kids it for sure it infringe less.

Seriously though, I think it is good illustration point of "this is unacceptable speech" i.e outside of Overton window.

[walletdrainer]

Why should anyone have the right to hold such power over another human being?

[nextaccountic]

I think it's the opposite, you need to demonstrate that this law would work

[kelseyfrog]

How effective do you find that strategy to be?

[krishna3145]

1%

[margalabargala]

No, you misunderstand.

You're reaching for legally mandated solutions. Why can't this be one?

"Choose to be a good parent, vs legally mandated spyware". Why not "legality mandated be a good parent"? This would solve a lot of other problems too. Like, all those people who hand wring "oh we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas! It's not working! Whatever could work in aggregate?!" people who don't actually parent can be trained to parent, and if they refuse they face consequences.

[red-iron-pine]

make Facebook do their damn job

they could, they just dont want to spend the money or risk liability

[JumpCrisscross]

> If they're minded to bypass all that then they're going to bypass any technical block you put on anyway

School bans have been effective because the entire friend group is taken off at once. That network effect is important. We need a real solution for keeping kids off social media—there is too much popular will for this not to happen. The debate is realistically around how.

[daurentius523]

How much supporters agree is void point unless you are making Wunschkonzert - wish-concert, it is how much the decliners and reality disagree that is the most serious problem. You either operate on "We don't like, we disagree, we disagree and will not accept, we disagree so much that we will vote on People more volatile then current U.S one to make the point" - If you start to operate in third and worse the fourth then no agreement will solve this issue. And you started from proposition that is so outright insane that you may as well count many in third view.