Ask HN: Are LLMs Just Philosophical Zombies?

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	Ask HN: Are LLMs Just Philosophical Zombies?
	2 points by slipknotfan 49 days ago
	The whole point of LLMs is to fake being human through following the likely paths text will follow. Is that not what a philosophical zombie[0] is: appearing to be human while having no actual intelligence? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

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> appearing to be human while having no actual intelligence?

Isn't a P-zombie about consciousness, not intelligence?

It's not actually "artificial intelligence" but more like "fake intelligence".

Assembling a plausible sounding sentence doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about.

The number of people who fail to grasp this is mind boggling.

And how do you explain that they can do advanced mathematics?

How do you explain when they can't? If they *really* understand math, why is the error rate so high?

According to a 2025 Stanford HAI report, large language models fail basic multi-step arithmetic up to 40% of the time without external tools.

2025... have you checked latest models? and even, this talk is irrelevant when we know in few months/years this exact topic will be solved.

we know in few months/years this exact topic will be solved

You may know this somehow --- but I don't. Without a fundamental re-design, the basic problem will remain.

I don't believe it is possible to apply statistics to predict answers without significant errors.

yes but most humans (also without tools, to do a fair comparison) also make significant errors, WAY more than Opus 4.7 and GPT-5.4 xhigh

Are humans just philosophical zombies?