[GorsyGentle]

> Your users live in Teams.

No, I assure you, we do not. Nobody wants to live in hell. Even at my current company, we are mandated solely to use Teams for meetings. But nobody uses it for chat.

Thankfully we have Slack to save us from that hell. Even if giphy is disabled because it might have R rated content whatever the hell that means.

[m348e912]

>> Your users live in Teams.

> No, I assure you, we do not

This absolutism is tiring. I can assure you there are plenty of companies who use teams as their sole messaging platform. My company uses slack, teams, and zoom. Which one you use the most depends on the person or the team they are on. (Although zoom is being phased out to the chagrin of some folks).

Teams isn't without it's issues, it's annoyingly slow, and startup takes so long I have missed a meeting or two because of it. But, the conferencing experience is pretty decent, and I think you're just being contrarian for the sake of it.

[szszrk]

> This absolutism is tiring.

What is really tiring is using Teams as a tool to embed other websites. Because that's what "apps" and most other functionalities are.

Teams is just a very slow web browser with the worst possible way to manage bookmarks and tabs.

You clearly don't have an organization fully onboarded to Teams, as you yourself describe. You use it as a conferencing tool. When you add all the other bloat Teams promotes it becomes a burden that makes me want to come back to sorting thousands of emails with outlook rules.

[mexicocitinluez]

> Why do I have to create a weird "workflow" to receive webhooks in a chat channel?

Clearly? Because they don't feel as passionate about a chat app as you? That's your conclusion from that statement?

> Teams is just a very slow web browser with the worst possible way to manage bookmarks and tabs.

I honestly don't even know what this means. Do you have any experience onboarding a full organization? It sounds like you're just lifting stuff from HN.

> When you add all the other bloat Teams promotes

I've been managing a Teams organization for over 6 years now and the only issue we have is when people are on too many teams. And by too many, I mean 100s of Teams at once. We're a healthcare provider that auto-creates teams for each patient we see and assigns people to them and when managers want to be on all teams, it becomes difficult to use.

If you don't have the skills to manage it, maybe you should step let someone with more experience do it for you.

[szszrk]

I don't know what your first reply is to, that wasn't my comment.

As for second - please don't assume who I am and what I do. I work with Teams daily in large org (>500k people). As a user. And as a user I see that I have plenty of apps integrated. It's absolutely idiotic how - they just take away my ability to use chat. Apps are pushed as tabs in group chat, as tabs in Teams teams (It's crazy that this is a thing, it's even worse translated), as icons in menu... And all of them take over the screen so I can't look at a file and chat at the same time. It's possible to open new windows, but you have to plan that in advance. And you can't do that when you have hundreds of chats and groups. And I do have a lot of them in such org, and all of them are large group chats. You can't just have a stable window with just text content. That's what I mean - teams enforces taking over the whole ui to have a look at something, then runs a huge webapp for me to look at it. And doesn't make it easy to come back to your previous context.

> If you don't have the skills to manage it (...)

Again, I don't know what do you reply to. I don't manage teams. I use it. And please don't try to insult like that, it's not cool, especially when you can't even direct your comments to the correct person. I talk of UI, you talk of managing teams as an operator... Maybe that's a teams habit of loosing track of the context, huh?

[chrisgd]

> My company uses slack, teams, and zoom. Which one you use the most depends on the person or the team they are on.

This sounds exhausting. This is the reason everyone should use one.

[brianjking]

lol, I love that their first example is bringing Slack content into Teams. It's like they've completely forgotten if I have Slack, there's 0 way I'm going to have Teams open if I can avoid it at all.

[userbinator]

Fortunately, there are companies which still use IRC and other entirely-open standards such as SIP for collaborative communication.

[SV_BubbleTime]

I know it’s NerdCool to hate on Teams, but I really don’t get it.

I’m in Linux with portal for teams (electron app)… and it’s fine. Like, we moved to it from slack and I just don’t see much of a difference. I type stuff, and people see it. I set up a call and people join, we talk.

What is it that is so broken, or is it just cool to hate?

[x______________]

Hate?

Ever been forced to use production software with memory leaks in a corporate environment?

10s of thousands of employees needing to restart their computers every few hours or to live with sloggish computers, ruining so many billable hours, over a few years (this is only 1 company).

Hell, I still keep my restart teams.bat I build to single click kill/restart the process cause of the trauma received from the time spent telling everyone why their laptops were unusable without a reboot (or prices restart) during choppy voice and video calls..

It also doesn't help whatsoever that Microsoft did this a bunch of times over the years too with Lync, Communicator, skype, skype for business, MSN messenger (not in chronological order)...

MS Teams also updates every few days. A lot of it feels like someone is flinging features to the wall and see what sticks, but a lot of it is also just hoping that you get a working chat client that day.

You'd think their company would be able to retain some experience about relaunching a new cannabalistic product but no, this latest attempt to destroy a competitor with Teams has been the most painful out of them all.

Hate doesn't begin to explain my special relationship with this piece of software.

[SV_BubbleTime]

Ok, I guess what I find funny is that on Linux, I’ve had absolutely zero of those issues. Again, my version is the web via an electron app.

I suppose this is probably why MS seems intent on killing the app versions à la “New Outlook” and etc.

The most painful thing I can think of with Teams in years of Linux use has been I can’t upload more than 10 things at once, and notifications of meetings could be better.

[minetest2048]

> I type stuff, and people see it

I wish... I'm on Windows 11 Enterprise with corporate Teams, definitely 100% Microsoft approved combination and:

- on one channel my message never got sent, while on another channel it does work

- sometimes when I scrolled up the old messages doesn't show up, with a 'message removed by organization retention policy' text.. but those are messages from yesterday and sometimes when I restarted Teams it shows up again.. sometime it doesn't but when I opened web Teams it does show up

- sometime I can't connect to Teams for no reason, restarting Teams and computer doesn't help either, went to the IT helpdesk and they spent several minutes redoing what I did until they just googled it and delete the cookies or something

I also used slack and from my perspective its 100% reliable at delivering text messages

[noufalibrahim]

I use Linux and try to use Teams in Chrome for some client communications. It's been a frustrating experience to get myself logged in. There's a lot of confusion about my live account, microsoft account and several others that i'm not familiar with. I usually just run it without logging in now and just type my name.

Slack is definitely better but I have had issues with message delivery and things especially across the "native" desktop application and the mobile app.

[skirmish]

Flaky Wifi connection? Maybe Slack just retries more, and Teams gives up easily?

[actionfromafar]

Those are questions Microsoft should ask themselves during testing.

[skirmish]

Last I heard in the news, Microsoft fired most of their testing teams, so no.

[adammarples]

When I click on my calendar inside teams it sometimes just goes blank for about 15 seconds. When I open a link on teams it opens in edge despite edge not being my default browser, because teams has its own default browser settings. When I make a numbered list in teams it indents 1. but when I enter onto line 2. it indents it slightly more so the number don't align and I cannot undo this and I have never found out how to stop it happening. When I open an excel spreadsheet link in teams it opens it in a janky teams view, instead of Excel, the only truly great Microsoft app. When I insert a code snippet in teams I can sometimes exit it out of it by pressing down, sometimes not, and I just have to send the message and continue writing in a new one. If I start teams on anything other than my work machine there's a 90% chance it won't work and I'll be better off using the Web view. These are just everyday off the top of my head annoyances.

[globular-toast]

People have different aggravation thresholds. Some will complain at small things very quickly, while others will let the resentment build up until one day they snap. In relationships the former group tends to fare best in the long term. Since Teams is evidently not perfect, I can only assume you are in the latter group.

[theshrike79]

Try being a consultant who needs to have access to 2+ Teams accounts simultaneously.

On Slack I can just press command - <number> and I'm switching between client Slack accounts.

On Teams? Nope. Nope. Nope.

[bob1029]

I have 3 accounts in teams. Two are in client tenants and one is my personal. I haven't had any issues because I can't work on more than one customer at a time. I still get notifications from the other clients when I'm not actively staring at things. I could leave teams off all day and still be fine. The business requirements don't change that quickly in my part of the world. If you are doing 1099 for multiple customers, you should not let them dance you around with instant messages in real time. That will wear you out very quickly.

[mexicocitinluez]

You're arguing with someone who thinks clicking a dropdown and selecting a different tenant is the worst thing in the world.

[vladvasiliu]

Because it then restarts the whole app, so you have to wait again for ages so it does whatever it is that it does.

And since you can actually have a chat window open from a different tenant, there’s no reason why they should have you do this ridiculous dance.

If teams wasn’t so god-awful slow, and with an interface jumping around all the time, people would probably complain much less of having to select something in a dropdown.

[mexicocitinluez]

> On Teams? Nope. Nope. Nope.

What? https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/nonprofittechies/ho...

[theshrike79]

Did you even read it:

> Click the name of the org you want to switch to. Teams will reload in that environment.

or

> Open teams.microsoft.com in a browser for one org while using the desktop app for another.

How convenient! To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION. Or just log in via multiple separate browsers or cereate a full-ass browser profile for each organisation.

That's a weee bit harder than hitting command-2...

It's a garbage fire, people only use it because it's "free" if you have a M365 subscription for the company, not because it's in any way good.

[mexicocitinluez]

So you think I didn't read your comment because you said "Nope, nope, nope" and I quite literally provided you with instructions on how to do it? That feels incoherent.

> To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION

lol Where are you reading "reload the whole application"? It's literally a dropdown menu in the Teams application. It switches the tenant.

> That's a weee bit harder than hitting command-2...

Oh my god, clicking a single dropdown isn't a "weee bit harder". You're acting psychotic about this.

[theshrike79]

”Teams will reload in that environment.”

It cannot connect to two environments at the same time, it basically has to restart from scratch to swap environments. Whether it’s a drop down or not is irrelevant.

Their official instructions say “just use multiple browser profiles”. Not very multi-tenant of them.

[Accacin]

I don't hate it as such, but it's very buggy. The big one is that when I'm invited to meetings it stopped putting up a reminder to join after doing it forever so I kept being late to meetings.

Sometimes I go to join a meeting and the join button is disabled, I have to get someone else to request me to join.

Occasionally my calendar just shows empty, lol.

Chat mostly works fine but meetings are weird.

[userbinator]

I suspect those who honestly think Teams is fine have never used anything better.

[high_na_euv]

Ive used

Ventrilo, teamspeak, discord, mumble, skype, teams, slack

And id say teams are okayish, nothing wrong about them

Discord is #1

[bob1029]

I had the choice of using discord or teams yesterday to review something and we both picked teams.

This is just like the hate for paid databases, operating systems and big clouds. Easy targets that seem politically convenient to attack on statistical grounds ("I think most people here might agree with me"). It's ultimately childish behavior. Adults explore nuance and find compromise between competing ideas. I find myself constantly defending the proverbial empire around here because of the intense tribalism. If we were focused more on the customer and doing a good job, half of this nonsense would disappear overnight.

Microsoft makes some of the best software on earth. Teams is certainly not an example of that (yet), but it's also not the worst thing they've done. Not even close.

[nrub]

You have literal Stockholm syndrome. Not joking.

[Citizen_Lame]

Anyone saying Microsoft makes some of the best software on earth needs their head checked or maybe you are just AI bro.

[psnehanshu]

Slack is a different kind of hell now with their sales-force

[brianjking]

Bring back Glitch the game! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_(video_game)

[maronato]

Now? Salesforce bought Slack almost 6 years ago

[willio58]

Same at my company. Moved to teams for the lovely “cost savings”. It’s a hog, nobody likes it. So then a portion of the company went to get on Gather which is cool. And the rest of the company never gave up slack so it’s this fun thing where nobody knows where any meeting is and it can be in 1 of 3 apps because why would it be simple?

[fuzzzerd]

Sounds nice. I've seen places that have essentially given up email in favor of teams for all communication.

[earleybird]

Now add a retention policy of 30 days. Business memory lived in those emails and now it's 50 First Dates

[nerdjon]

I really hate that Teams has basically taken over. It has so many poor design decisions that I regularly feel like I am fighting it.

My single biggest pet peeve, how it handles chats from meetings when you are not in the meeting. I have lost so many chats (or never got responses) because they were hidden in meeting chats that for some reason don't appear in your normal chat list.

Sure Slack had its own issues, but I don't remember ever feeling like I was actively fighting it and loosing.

[leosanchez]

IMO Only thing good about Teams is Emojis

[dgan]

Cant wait to look like an idiot after sending a heart to my boss while trying to select the hostname

[npodbielski]

Maybe he will like it! Who knows?!

[Jedd]

Do you mean the way that Microsoft hijacked open-parenthesis, and you can't choose a different character to trigger an emoji call?

[lifescarcity]

https://youtu.be/2PYBj_VhvXg?si=eQogTv825zSyeBvX You can use :

[vladvasiliu]

Which is extremely practical for French, where the colon comes after a space. So if you want to write an actual colon to introduce a list on the following line, you’ll just input whatever the default smiley is.

[Jedd]

aha - they've added colon.

I notice that ( still goes into emoji mode though.

So, the worst of both worlds. I should not be surprised. (And I am not.)

[crote]

Except for the fact where their emoji :shortcodes: are different from everyone elses, so if you're not careful you end up looking like a lunatic.

[Phelinofist]

IMHO they are not. Using the shortcodes via () works okay-ish, but open the emoji menu is just awfully slow, it takes a solid 5-8 secs for it to show the emojis not recently used. It's absolute garbage.

[high_na_euv]

Calendar

[biglyburrito]

And yet Slack still does it better