[SV_BubbleTime]

I know it’s NerdCool to hate on Teams, but I really don’t get it.

I’m in Linux with portal for teams (electron app)… and it’s fine. Like, we moved to it from slack and I just don’t see much of a difference. I type stuff, and people see it. I set up a call and people join, we talk.

What is it that is so broken, or is it just cool to hate?

[x______________]

Hate?

Ever been forced to use production software with memory leaks in a corporate environment?

10s of thousands of employees needing to restart their computers every few hours or to live with sloggish computers, ruining so many billable hours, over a few years (this is only 1 company).

Hell, I still keep my restart teams.bat I build to single click kill/restart the process cause of the trauma received from the time spent telling everyone why their laptops were unusable without a reboot (or prices restart) during choppy voice and video calls..

It also doesn't help whatsoever that Microsoft did this a bunch of times over the years too with Lync, Communicator, skype, skype for business, MSN messenger (not in chronological order)...

MS Teams also updates every few days. A lot of it feels like someone is flinging features to the wall and see what sticks, but a lot of it is also just hoping that you get a working chat client that day.

You'd think their company would be able to retain some experience about relaunching a new cannabalistic product but no, this latest attempt to destroy a competitor with Teams has been the most painful out of them all.

Hate doesn't begin to explain my special relationship with this piece of software.

[SV_BubbleTime]

Ok, I guess what I find funny is that on Linux, I’ve had absolutely zero of those issues. Again, my version is the web via an electron app.

I suppose this is probably why MS seems intent on killing the app versions à la “New Outlook” and etc.

The most painful thing I can think of with Teams in years of Linux use has been I can’t upload more than 10 things at once, and notifications of meetings could be better.

[minetest2048]

> I type stuff, and people see it

I wish... I'm on Windows 11 Enterprise with corporate Teams, definitely 100% Microsoft approved combination and:

- on one channel my message never got sent, while on another channel it does work

- sometimes when I scrolled up the old messages doesn't show up, with a 'message removed by organization retention policy' text.. but those are messages from yesterday and sometimes when I restarted Teams it shows up again.. sometime it doesn't but when I opened web Teams it does show up

- sometime I can't connect to Teams for no reason, restarting Teams and computer doesn't help either, went to the IT helpdesk and they spent several minutes redoing what I did until they just googled it and delete the cookies or something

I also used slack and from my perspective its 100% reliable at delivering text messages

[noufalibrahim]

I use Linux and try to use Teams in Chrome for some client communications. It's been a frustrating experience to get myself logged in. There's a lot of confusion about my live account, microsoft account and several others that i'm not familiar with. I usually just run it without logging in now and just type my name.

Slack is definitely better but I have had issues with message delivery and things especially across the "native" desktop application and the mobile app.

[skirmish]

Flaky Wifi connection? Maybe Slack just retries more, and Teams gives up easily?

[actionfromafar]

Those are questions Microsoft should ask themselves during testing.

[skirmish]

Last I heard in the news, Microsoft fired most of their testing teams, so no.

[adammarples]

When I click on my calendar inside teams it sometimes just goes blank for about 15 seconds. When I open a link on teams it opens in edge despite edge not being my default browser, because teams has its own default browser settings. When I make a numbered list in teams it indents 1. but when I enter onto line 2. it indents it slightly more so the number don't align and I cannot undo this and I have never found out how to stop it happening. When I open an excel spreadsheet link in teams it opens it in a janky teams view, instead of Excel, the only truly great Microsoft app. When I insert a code snippet in teams I can sometimes exit it out of it by pressing down, sometimes not, and I just have to send the message and continue writing in a new one. If I start teams on anything other than my work machine there's a 90% chance it won't work and I'll be better off using the Web view. These are just everyday off the top of my head annoyances.

[globular-toast]

People have different aggravation thresholds. Some will complain at small things very quickly, while others will let the resentment build up until one day they snap. In relationships the former group tends to fare best in the long term. Since Teams is evidently not perfect, I can only assume you are in the latter group.

[theshrike79]

Try being a consultant who needs to have access to 2+ Teams accounts simultaneously.

On Slack I can just press command - <number> and I'm switching between client Slack accounts.

On Teams? Nope. Nope. Nope.

[bob1029]

I have 3 accounts in teams. Two are in client tenants and one is my personal. I haven't had any issues because I can't work on more than one customer at a time. I still get notifications from the other clients when I'm not actively staring at things. I could leave teams off all day and still be fine. The business requirements don't change that quickly in my part of the world. If you are doing 1099 for multiple customers, you should not let them dance you around with instant messages in real time. That will wear you out very quickly.

[mexicocitinluez]

You're arguing with someone who thinks clicking a dropdown and selecting a different tenant is the worst thing in the world.

[vladvasiliu]

Because it then restarts the whole app, so you have to wait again for ages so it does whatever it is that it does.

And since you can actually have a chat window open from a different tenant, there’s no reason why they should have you do this ridiculous dance.

If teams wasn’t so god-awful slow, and with an interface jumping around all the time, people would probably complain much less of having to select something in a dropdown.

[mexicocitinluez]

> On Teams? Nope. Nope. Nope.

What? https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/nonprofittechies/ho...

[theshrike79]

Did you even read it:

> Click the name of the org you want to switch to. Teams will reload in that environment.

or

> Open teams.microsoft.com in a browser for one org while using the desktop app for another.

How convenient! To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION. Or just log in via multiple separate browsers or cereate a full-ass browser profile for each organisation.

That's a weee bit harder than hitting command-2...

It's a garbage fire, people only use it because it's "free" if you have a M365 subscription for the company, not because it's in any way good.

[mexicocitinluez]

So you think I didn't read your comment because you said "Nope, nope, nope" and I quite literally provided you with instructions on how to do it? That feels incoherent.

> To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION

lol Where are you reading "reload the whole application"? It's literally a dropdown menu in the Teams application. It switches the tenant.

> That's a weee bit harder than hitting command-2...

Oh my god, clicking a single dropdown isn't a "weee bit harder". You're acting psychotic about this.

[theshrike79]

”Teams will reload in that environment.”

It cannot connect to two environments at the same time, it basically has to restart from scratch to swap environments. Whether it’s a drop down or not is irrelevant.

Their official instructions say “just use multiple browser profiles”. Not very multi-tenant of them.

[vladvasiliu]

Actually you can detach a chat to a separate window and switch tenants in the main one. The separate window will keep working. Tried this a week or two ago with the heavy windows client.

Which is actually all the more infuriating to my eyes: this whole reload the app crap is obviously not necessary!

[Accacin]

I don't hate it as such, but it's very buggy. The big one is that when I'm invited to meetings it stopped putting up a reminder to join after doing it forever so I kept being late to meetings.

Sometimes I go to join a meeting and the join button is disabled, I have to get someone else to request me to join.

Occasionally my calendar just shows empty, lol.

Chat mostly works fine but meetings are weird.

[userbinator]

I suspect those who honestly think Teams is fine have never used anything better.

[high_na_euv]

Ive used

Ventrilo, teamspeak, discord, mumble, skype, teams, slack

And id say teams are okayish, nothing wrong about them

Discord is #1

[bob1029]

I had the choice of using discord or teams yesterday to review something and we both picked teams.

This is just like the hate for paid databases, operating systems and big clouds. Easy targets that seem politically convenient to attack on statistical grounds ("I think most people here might agree with me"). It's ultimately childish behavior. Adults explore nuance and find compromise between competing ideas. I find myself constantly defending the proverbial empire around here because of the intense tribalism. If we were focused more on the customer and doing a good job, half of this nonsense would disappear overnight.

Microsoft makes some of the best software on earth. Teams is certainly not an example of that (yet), but it's also not the worst thing they've done. Not even close.

[nrub]

You have literal Stockholm syndrome. Not joking.

[Citizen_Lame]

Anyone saying Microsoft makes some of the best software on earth needs their head checked or maybe you are just AI bro.