[dham]

Here we go again. Autopilot != FSD. Autopilot is not "autonomous" driving. It's lane keep with adaptive cruise control. The same system that Honda, Toyota, etc have. Yes the naming is wrong, the marketing is bad, but I don't see it as much worse as Toyota safety sense. If you use it to be "safe" you're going swerve off the highway into a ditch. I used super cruise from GM in my friends suv. As soon as lane markers go away on a bridge, I almost hit the railing.

I'll get downvoted but just giving you the facts. I'm glad the Autopilot name has been retired. Such a bad name, but maybe a good name because autopilot in planes can't see and avoid obstacles either.

[idop]

Elon himself uses both terms interchangeably[1], and the two reportedly use the same stack, so why shouldn't we conflate the terms?

[1] https://electrek.co/2026/03/18/tesla-cybertruck-fsd-crash-vi...

[iknowstuff]

They do not use the same stack.

[ori_b]

Can you explain why that makes it ok to cover up accidents and lie about the recordings of the event being corrupted?

[estimator7292]

How about the fact that Tesla is killing people and covering it up?

Would you go to a driver's funeral and tell their family that um, ackshully it's sparkling autopilot?

What do you think you're adding to the conversation? You're trying to distract from the fact that real, actual people have been actually killed by this.

[x187463]

It's not a semantic issue, FSD is a completely different system, but many people mix up the terms when discussing these systems due to poor naming. Autopilot is just cruise control and lane keep. FSD handles navigation and full vehicle control. Articles discussing the dangers of Autopilot are making perfectly reasonable claims about a system which was poorly named/marketed, but they are not meaningfully relevant to conversations about FSD.

[dv_dt]

The news isn't necessarily of the effectiveness of the particular tech stack, but the integrity, or lack thereof of the manufacturer in reporting incidents. If that is in question, assessing the effectiveness of any of Tesla's tech stacks fsd or autonomy, or taxis for driving is in doubt.

[Glemllksdf]

I don't get it?

If autopilot was missleading, full self driving is too?

[Rohansi]

Autopilot is completely different software from FSD. If you think FSD is stupid then Autopilot is worse because it won't do anything other than stay in the same lane and adjust speed to the car in front of you.

For some reason you could turn this on when you're not driving on the highway. It doesn't do anything for traffic lights, stop signs, obstacles, etc. because it's just cruise control. It's also included with every vehicle (unlike FSD).

[x187463]

The difference is FSD is properly annotated as (Supervised) and does exactly that. Autopilot does not 'autopilot' the vehicle by any reasonable measure.

[Glemllksdf]

Supervisded self driving would be correct. I don't think I was aware of the (Supervised) before your comment tbh.

[freejazz]

FSD (not)

[x187463]

FSD controls every aspect of the vehicle's operation and explicitly demands human supervision. There's nothing misleading or incorrect in the name FSD (Supervised).

[freejazz]

Sure (let's disagree)

[buellerbueller]

Here we go again; Musk fanboy to the rescue!

[trymas]

IMHO you're shifting goal posts (and I am not downvoting).

Tesla (or probably mostly Elon) was not selling "adaptive cruise control". It's selling "Autopilot" for $8k (now with a subscription AFAIK), with a pinky promise that "soon" or "next year" or "after two weeks" (jk) you essentially will set a destination, go to sleep and wake up at destination[1].

It's same as saying that "LLM != AI" and arguing that "ChatGPT is not AI - it's a glorified statistics model that is good at creating human sounding texts". Yeah - you and I understand this - but the average guy most likely does not and will get burned by this, because dozen tech-bros are burning billions of dollars and try to convince everyone that it's a panacea to every problem you can think of.

[1] It's a slight exageration, though I won't spend time digging for quotes but my main point is that's what Tesla are selling to an average guy and not nerds who can distinguish on what's possible, what's working and what level of driving assist there are.

[x187463]

"Autopilot" is not $8K, that's FSD. Autopilot was the default cruise control/lane keep software and was renamed "Traffic Aware Cruise Control" a few months ago. The original name was ridiculously misleading.