[b112]

Hanging a comment here, not directly replying.

Indeed. I see things like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/i...

Where the current Iranian government is slaughtering its own citizens. It is also fairly well known, and generally not disputed, that women, and non-binary people are slaughtered at whim, abused, even beaten to death in the street by the murderous Morality Police in Iran.

They literally fund recognized terrorist groups as well, and no one not even Iran disputes this. And yes, many Islamic and Middle Eastern states state so as well.

Yet there's a weird collection of people running around, screaming about how Iran is apparently immensely innocent of... well, everything and anything ever. I can only presume that any actuon the Trumo cabal take, is just immediately presumed bad.

Which is of course absurd. Even a broken clock is correct, twice a day.

And if you're non-binary, or support non-binary people, or if you are a feminist, you'd be insane to behave as of the current Iranian regine is "good" or "innocent" in any way. There isn't even the tiniest comparison to how you are treated in the West, or the US compared to Iran. In Iran, basically, you're dead, or rotting in jail until you die.

That doesn't make this war correct. But there is a vast difference between speaking out against military aggression, and supporting Iran. These are two different things.

Iran, the state is terrible. The world will be a far better place if it is replaced with a new regime. And no, that doesn't make the war right.

See how easy that is?

It's called nuance. Not black and white, binary thinking.

Ah well. It only takes one person to appear as 1000s today, so grain of salt.

[toyg]

There are dozens of equally "bad" regimes out there. The point is that invading them and/or killing a ton of their people is not the solution. Iraq: made things worse. Lybia: made things worse. Afghanistan: didn't make things any better. And this even before we discuss whether working inside a framework of agreed rules for international relations, instead of just doing whatever we feel like, is a good thing even for the "alpha nation".

Iran is obviously not innocent (nobody is), but their population is currently being hit for no particular reason beyond "Israeli vibes". That's not a broken clock being right, that's a broken clock telling the wrong time.

[b112]

There are dozens of equally "bad" regimes out there.

"There are dozens of murderers out there. Who cares if Bob murdered"

The point is that invading them and/or killing a ton of their people is not the solution.

I literally said this, so thanks for agreeing with me.

Iran is obviously not innocent (nobody is)

No one is innocent! John has speeding tickets! Therefore, Bob killing people isn't a big deal!

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The entire point of my comment was that supporting Iran by saying it is "good" or "innocent" is insane, whilst conversely, "war isn't good".

Are you arguing against this premise?

[toyg]

I think you're trying very hard to look for reasons to condemn people who think this war is stupid and illegal, under the pretension of gatekeeping what one can reasonably be opposed to what.

The main point remains: this war is stupid, illegal, and immoral. End of story.

[b112]

I've been very specific about what I'm saying.

Your response highlights how some are unable to live with the nuance of reality, and require black and white, binary viewpoints of the world.

I have said that Iran is a murderous, evil regime, while simultaneously saying war is not right here. I have said that my issue is with people trying to claim that Iran is a poor, innocent actor, instead of simply saying they do not agree with this war.

From this you infer weird things, simply because I presume you need Iran to be good, innocent, for the war to be wrong, bad.

It's not binary.

[rjrjrjrj]

> I have said that my issue is with people trying to claim that Iran is a poor, innocent actor,

I haven't seen any of these people.

[toyg]

I infer, you presume - we all know what you're trying to do, and it's pretty sad.

[orwin]

Yeah, that's exactly what people against this war say, I don't know why your straw man them. Iran regime killed 7k people over a month and a half, and imprisoned 30k. Iran is almost at US level when we count population percentage in prison, and well, well beyond when we count execution, with an average of 600 a year (when Texas only had 600 in 50 years). This still isn't a great reason to declare war. MBS regime killed well over 70k over the last 14 years, and those are exhaustion death. His regime makes slaves work until death, which, in my opinion, is way, way, waaaay worse than dieing from a bullet, and has the same execution rate than Iran (a bit more). I still don't call for an attack in Saoudi Arabia.

And if the goal was to overthrow the Mollahs and the IRGC, why not wait for Khomenei natural death and avoid martyring him? The IRGC is tightly tied to the Khomenei clan, and no Khomenei main branch member is a Mollah, so the succession would have been a disaster under normal circumstances. The US war just robbed Iran a chance at a natural regime change.

[ZeroGravitas]

Trump's crusade to save non-binary Iraninian feminists seems to be going quite badly. I'm not sure he planned it out that well. But it's the thought that counts.

[oncallthrow]

I’ve spent dozens of hours reading about the conflict on social media. I don’t think I’ve seen a single western account, outside of schizophrenic conspiracy theorist anons, saying that Iran is some paradise that can do no wrong.