[toyg]

There are dozens of equally "bad" regimes out there. The point is that invading them and/or killing a ton of their people is not the solution. Iraq: made things worse. Lybia: made things worse. Afghanistan: didn't make things any better. And this even before we discuss whether working inside a framework of agreed rules for international relations, instead of just doing whatever we feel like, is a good thing even for the "alpha nation".

Iran is obviously not innocent (nobody is), but their population is currently being hit for no particular reason beyond "Israeli vibes". That's not a broken clock being right, that's a broken clock telling the wrong time.

[b112]

There are dozens of equally "bad" regimes out there.

"There are dozens of murderers out there. Who cares if Bob murdered"

The point is that invading them and/or killing a ton of their people is not the solution.

I literally said this, so thanks for agreeing with me.

Iran is obviously not innocent (nobody is)

No one is innocent! John has speeding tickets! Therefore, Bob killing people isn't a big deal!

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The entire point of my comment was that supporting Iran by saying it is "good" or "innocent" is insane, whilst conversely, "war isn't good".

Are you arguing against this premise?

[toyg]

I think you're trying very hard to look for reasons to condemn people who think this war is stupid and illegal, under the pretension of gatekeeping what one can reasonably be opposed to what.

The main point remains: this war is stupid, illegal, and immoral. End of story.

[b112]

I've been very specific about what I'm saying.

Your response highlights how some are unable to live with the nuance of reality, and require black and white, binary viewpoints of the world.

I have said that Iran is a murderous, evil regime, while simultaneously saying war is not right here. I have said that my issue is with people trying to claim that Iran is a poor, innocent actor, instead of simply saying they do not agree with this war.

From this you infer weird things, simply because I presume you need Iran to be good, innocent, for the war to be wrong, bad.

It's not binary.

[rjrjrjrj]

> I have said that my issue is with people trying to claim that Iran is a poor, innocent actor,

I haven't seen any of these people.

[toyg]

I infer, you presume - we all know what you're trying to do, and it's pretty sad.