[aunty_helen]

> 0 legitimate use cases

My teams currently using it for:

- SDR research and drafting

- Proposal generation

- Staging ops work

- Landing page generation

- Building the company processes into an internal CRM

- Daily reporting

- Time checks

- Yesterday I put together proposal from a previous proposal and meeting notes, (40k worth)

[bryanlarsen]

> In every case, when you dig deeper, the story is one of two things: either what they built could already be done with standard AI tools (ChatGPT, Claude, any decent LLM with a simple integration), or it’s aspirational

All your use cases are fairly well handled by conventional LLM's. OpenClaw is a security nightmare, so it's probably worth switching away.

[aunty_helen]

Most of these things I could’ve handled with pen and paper, but that’s missing the point.

[operatingthetan]

None of those things require openclaw. You could accomplish them with something like Google Drive and Claude Code CLI.

[BeetleB]

> None of those things require openclaw.

OpenClaw was never meant to be a tool that could do things you couldn't do without it.

Also, whenever someone points out you could accomplish something without it, he underestimates the effort needed. In the examples I'm thinking of, someone simply asked OpenClaw to do something, had a few back and forths with it, and it was done. I have yet to see someone say "Oh, I can do that without OpenClaw" and go ahead and do it within 10 minutes.

Not once.

OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else.

[operatingthetan]

> the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else.

You offered nothing to support this. My openclaw is realistically just an agent in discord versus the CLI. That's not an "order of magnitude" more convenient. Anthropic already has a tool for it https://code.claude.com/docs/en/remote-control

[BeetleB]

> You offered nothing to support this.

You've got it inverted. My point is the people saying "You could have done that just as easily with ..." are the ones not supporting it. The commenter has already built that thing with OpenClaw. If someone is saying it could easily have done without it - well, demonstrate it!

[operatingthetan]

It appears that you are confusing who has the burden of proof here. It is the one making the claim contrary to the status quo.

Hint: the status quo is not that openclaw is a tech that is magnitudes better than using LLMs without it.

Listing a bunch of things that are just normal LLM things as reasons why openclaw is great is not making that case.

[wat10000]

Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Status quo has nothing to do with it.

[stitched2gethr]

> Anthropic already has a tool for it Yes, but Anthropic built this tool after OpenClaw, because of OpenClaw.

[aunty_helen]

The difference is I would have to do that myself. It has access to gdrive and cc and does it for me when I send it a message in chat. Sometimes when I’m out I even just send it voicys.

[fg137]

Method 1: run Claude Code in YOLO mode and use natural language instructions to get something done

Method 2: send natural language instructions to OpenClaw to use Claude Code to do the same thing

Sorry my tiny brain says to me method 2 is doing the same thing with extra steps

[drewstiff]

I can have multiple conversations on multiple topics always accessible via different discord channels, all with a shared memory, without that memory being held in a continually degrading context window.

One channel - reminders for medications, and recording my dosage. Another - "research this fancy new tech thing for me". Another - "let's continue work on that side project we started last week". And then in another - "create a dashboard of my meds dosage using that fancy new tech thing we were talking about yesterday". And of course finally "any urgent emails this morning?".

All without finding, creating, or setting up multiple apps or scripts for each individual task. If I have another idea, I just tell it what I want it to do, or ask it how we can make it happen.

[operatingthetan]

You're contradicting yourself here. Are you controlling it yourself or not? lol

[aunty_helen]

It’s task dependent.

[wormpilled]

None of those require Claude Code CLI either, you could develop their workflows with a script (bash, python) and any quality LLM.

[operatingthetan]

Just an example of how I would accomplish them. The obsession with openclaw is generally misguided. The 'magic' is the LLM. I'm running an OC instance on a server in my home, I have experience here.

[Eufrat]

What happens if it makes a mistake? How would you know?

[aunty_helen]

10/80/10

10% done by an assistant that’s been trained on the task (or a dev or me)

80% heavy lifting done by claw

10% review and corrections

[MadSudaca]

I don’t get people’s hate. Let others enjoy it.

[Eufrat]

I think people are just tired of the fire hose of posts that have been showing up since it came out. It’s so annoying. Why does everyone need to pimp it so hard? It’s like your aunt trying to push Herbalife on you every time you see her.

[zdragnar]

That, and some people hate being on the receiving end of the output. The old "if you didn't bother writing it, I'm not going to bother reading it".

[syngrog66]

somehow I've been able to do that for 40+ years using my brain, eyes, fingers, vi , CLIs and shell scripts. no unsolved problems there.

[aunty_helen]

I did too :D

Nothing of what my agents do, we didn’t previously do. But now I can get moderate to good results with a lot less effort. Allowing the business to expand whilst keeping costs controlled.

[BeetleB]

I was able to buy stuff from home without the Internet as well.