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by BeetleB 66 days ago
> None of those things require openclaw.

OpenClaw was never meant to be a tool that could do things you couldn't do without it.

Also, whenever someone points out you could accomplish something without it, he underestimates the effort needed. In the examples I'm thinking of, someone simply asked OpenClaw to do something, had a few back and forths with it, and it was done. I have yet to see someone say "Oh, I can do that without OpenClaw" and go ahead and do it within 10 minutes.

Not once.

OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else.
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operatingthetan 66 days ago
> the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else.

You offered nothing to support this. My openclaw is realistically just an agent in discord versus the CLI. That's not an "order of magnitude" more convenient. Anthropic already has a tool for it https://code.claude.com/docs/en/remote-control

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BeetleB 66 days ago
> You offered nothing to support this.

You've got it inverted. My point is the people saying "You could have done that just as easily with ..." are the ones not supporting it. The commenter has already built that thing with OpenClaw. If someone is saying it could easily have done without it - well, demonstrate it!

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operatingthetan 66 days ago
It appears that you are confusing who has the burden of proof here. It is the one making the claim contrary to the status quo.

Hint: the status quo is not that openclaw is a tech that is magnitudes better than using LLMs without it.

Listing a bunch of things that are just normal LLM things as reasons why openclaw is great is not making that case.

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wat10000 65 days ago
Burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Status quo has nothing to do with it.
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operatingthetan 65 days ago
You should revisit the burden of proof then. Status quo is most certainly an important part.

Regardless, their claim was "OpenClaw is flawed, but the convenience is an order of magnitude higher than anything else."

And they attempted to shift the burden when I asked for substantiation.

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wat10000 65 days ago
Status quo influences how good your proof has to be (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) but not who needs to bring it.
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stitched2gethr 65 days ago
> Anthropic already has a tool for it Yes, but Anthropic built this tool after OpenClaw, because of OpenClaw.
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