[lta]

That's just a drop compared to the ocean compared to this one time when he performed multiple nazi salute in front of an entire country, or when he single handedly decided to intervene in a foreign war via Star link control or when he messed with entire branches of the American government

[WatchDog]

> nazi salute, foreign war intervention, government influence

Leading with the supposed "nazi salute" really detracts from the other, much more legitimate and substantive issues you raised.

[SV_BubbleTime]

Disagree. It tells me all I need to know about the person riled up about it.

[kevin061]

Yes, it tells you that they're normal unlike people who are still arguing today how Musk didn't actually do a nazi salute.

[SV_BubbleTime]

Yes. You are normal relative to the people that are easily programmed to hate on command and ignore rationality.

Ya ya; Musk is such a secret Nazi that he accidentally gave himself away with a wave that used to be commonplace and fell out of fashion after WWII; way before Musk was born. You cracked the code!

[tovej]

Supposed? He slapped his chest, and flung his arm hard into a heil. And then he turned around and heiled the flag.

He grew up in apartheid South Africa, where his grandparents moved because they wanted to support apartheid. His grandparents were nazis; as in Errol Musk has stated they were in the "German [Nazi] Party but in Canada", and supported Hitler in the 1940s. Elon would have picked up on these influences, and Elon himself has supported AFD, the current german nazi party. By all accounts, it's not out of character for Elon to heil. I mean, if we for some reason are discounting the obvious visual evidence that he did, in fact, heil.

Pleas explain to me how that wasn't a nazi salute.

[Acrobatic_Road]

The ADL says it was an awkward gesture, not a nazi salute. Snopes says his grandparents weren't nazis. They also say there's no proof his family moved to south africa because they supported apartheid. And even if his grandparents were nazis, it wouldn't make him a nazi. I'm sure many Germans have nazi grandparents, but that doesn't make them nazis.

>Elon himself has supported AFD, the current german nazi part

No, the current nazi party is Die Heimat (or whatever they call themselves). AFD just wants common sense immigration reform.

[tovej]

The ADL is not a reliable source on this, many other anti-semitism researchers and organizations stated it's a clear sieg heil.

ADL is not concerned with anti-semitism anymore, they'renonly concerned about silencing xriticism of Israel. This became clear when they updated their definition of anti-semitism to include anti-zionism and opposition to Israel. They have lost all credibility.

And AFD is most definitely a nazi party. Just because there are less polished nazi parties as well does not make them non-nazis. They have an ethnonationalist agenda, focusing on German ethnicity as the basis around which to build the German nation state. Contrast this with civic nationalism, the non-nazi liberal take on nation states, in which citizenship is based on a cultural identity and belonging, not your Germanic descent.

[Acrobatic_Road]

Anti-zionism is anti-antisemitism 99% of time. The desire to destroy Israel (as opposed to literally any other country) is rooted in hatred for Jews.

>And AFD is most definitely a nazi party. Just because there are less polished nazi parties as well does not make them non-nazis. They have an ethnonationalist agenda, focusing on German ethnicity as the basis around which to build the German nation state. Contrast this with civic nationalism, the non-nazi liberal take on nation states, in which citizenship is based on a cultural identity and belonging, not your Germanic descent.

The AFD is actually rather moderate. They want mass deportations for unassimilated migrants, i.e. people who don't speak German, don't work, commit crimes, etc. What's actually radical is the idea that you can import those with no connection to Europe and suddenly they are just as European as anyone else because you gave them citizenship.

[guzfip]

> They want mass deportations for unassimilated migrants, i.e. people who don't speak German, don't work, commit crimes, etc.

Indeed, wish we could do the same with insular Jewish communities in the northeastern US that siphon off welfare while running fraudulent charities that are basically a way to siphon money from unexpected natives across the country.

[tovej]

Ok, so you're a far-right zionist then.

And on a rational note, you're just writing up an army of strawmen to dunk on, and your arguments are not answering mine, they're nothing but rhetoric.

I don't think I can convince you. I hope some day you realize you're on the wrong side of history.

Or maybe you could just take off the mask fully and admit you're a racist. That would be preferable to this pathetic "centrist" roleplay.

[yodsanklai]

I don't know if Elon is a Nazi, but given who he support, some of his statements, and how explicit was this gesture, I don't think it's just an awkward coincidence. At the very least, he wanted to create some buzz which he probably finds amusing.

But yes, we can agree that it's not his worse sin. Just adds to a long list.

[mexicocitinluez]

It's a really dark thing to me that we all watched him do it and people like yourself will just deny it.

Also the absolute height of stupidity to conclude he didn't do it despite quite literally having to take a tour of Auschwitz because he wasn't stopping the Nazis on his site.

Add to that the dozens of times we've learned about US Republicans praising Hitler and Elon quite literally being the biggest donor.

You're not a serious person.

lol https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/elon-musk-nazi-joke-adl

[Acrobatic_Road]

So he's a nazi because: - he made such jokes as "Some people will Goebbels anything down!" and "Stop Gőring your enemies!"? - He visited Auschwitz after allowing free speech on X upset the advertisers. - He donates to the Republican party which praises Hitler (citation needed).

If anything you're not the serious person here.

[mexicocitinluez]

> He donates to the Republican party which praises Hitler (citation needed).

Here you go:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-...

and another:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/05/florida-inte...

He shard a video of a podcaster arguing Hitler had no desire to exterminate Jews and the Holocaust deaths were logistical failures.

His comments in Germany about too much past guilt.

The never-ending stream of tweets about white solidarity.

Restored white supremist accounts on X.

You're the new flat earther movement.

[mexicocitinluez]

lol

I still can't believe we're doing this. Even after Elon has allowed X to devolve into a cesspit of Nazis. Even though he had to take a tour of Auschwitz because of his insensitivity to it. Even though he's the biggest donor to a party that cant stop idolizing Hitler in group chats that leaked, even though he wont stop talking about the destruction of the white race, even though he wont stop race-baiting himself, even after all that and a handful of other things youre totally convinced he didn't do a Nazi salute.

edit: The degree to which people are dishonest or just unbelievably gullible is pretty astonishing. It's like arguing wtih flat earthers.