[Acrobatic_Road]

The ADL says it was an awkward gesture, not a nazi salute. Snopes says his grandparents weren't nazis. They also say there's no proof his family moved to south africa because they supported apartheid. And even if his grandparents were nazis, it wouldn't make him a nazi. I'm sure many Germans have nazi grandparents, but that doesn't make them nazis.

>Elon himself has supported AFD, the current german nazi part

No, the current nazi party is Die Heimat (or whatever they call themselves). AFD just wants common sense immigration reform.

[tovej]

The ADL is not a reliable source on this, many other anti-semitism researchers and organizations stated it's a clear sieg heil.

ADL is not concerned with anti-semitism anymore, they'renonly concerned about silencing xriticism of Israel. This became clear when they updated their definition of anti-semitism to include anti-zionism and opposition to Israel. They have lost all credibility.

And AFD is most definitely a nazi party. Just because there are less polished nazi parties as well does not make them non-nazis. They have an ethnonationalist agenda, focusing on German ethnicity as the basis around which to build the German nation state. Contrast this with civic nationalism, the non-nazi liberal take on nation states, in which citizenship is based on a cultural identity and belonging, not your Germanic descent.

[Acrobatic_Road]

Anti-zionism is anti-antisemitism 99% of time. The desire to destroy Israel (as opposed to literally any other country) is rooted in hatred for Jews.

>And AFD is most definitely a nazi party. Just because there are less polished nazi parties as well does not make them non-nazis. They have an ethnonationalist agenda, focusing on German ethnicity as the basis around which to build the German nation state. Contrast this with civic nationalism, the non-nazi liberal take on nation states, in which citizenship is based on a cultural identity and belonging, not your Germanic descent.

The AFD is actually rather moderate. They want mass deportations for unassimilated migrants, i.e. people who don't speak German, don't work, commit crimes, etc. What's actually radical is the idea that you can import those with no connection to Europe and suddenly they are just as European as anyone else because you gave them citizenship.

[guzfip]

> They want mass deportations for unassimilated migrants, i.e. people who don't speak German, don't work, commit crimes, etc.

Indeed, wish we could do the same with insular Jewish communities in the northeastern US that siphon off welfare while running fraudulent charities that are basically a way to siphon money from unexpected natives across the country.

[Acrobatic_Road]

I assume you mean the Haredi? I have never heard of them running fake charities but a lot of them go on welfare (in Israel). To be honest, most Israelis don't like them either. But I think the answer is cut off the welfare and force them to get jobs.

[tovej]

Ok, so you're a far-right zionist then.

And on a rational note, you're just writing up an army of strawmen to dunk on, and your arguments are not answering mine, they're nothing but rhetoric.

I don't think I can convince you. I hope some day you realize you're on the wrong side of history.

Or maybe you could just take off the mask fully and admit you're a racist. That would be preferable to this pathetic "centrist" roleplay.

[Acrobatic_Road]

LOL, when will you realize there is no arc of the moral universe; there is no "right" or "wrong" side to history. There is only what happens. So kick and scream about how much you hate Jews (Oh, sorry "Zionists"), but we're not going anywhere.

[tovej]

You seem to have taken the mask off, good for you!

[Acrobatic_Road]

I'm just mocking you.

I <3 israel

[yodsanklai]

I don't know if Elon is a Nazi, but given who he support, some of his statements, and how explicit was this gesture, I don't think it's just an awkward coincidence. At the very least, he wanted to create some buzz which he probably finds amusing.

But yes, we can agree that it's not his worse sin. Just adds to a long list.

[mexicocitinluez]

It's a really dark thing to me that we all watched him do it and people like yourself will just deny it.

Also the absolute height of stupidity to conclude he didn't do it despite quite literally having to take a tour of Auschwitz because he wasn't stopping the Nazis on his site.

Add to that the dozens of times we've learned about US Republicans praising Hitler and Elon quite literally being the biggest donor.

You're not a serious person.

lol https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/elon-musk-nazi-joke-adl

[Acrobatic_Road]

So he's a nazi because: - he made such jokes as "Some people will Goebbels anything down!" and "Stop Gőring your enemies!"? - He visited Auschwitz after allowing free speech on X upset the advertisers. - He donates to the Republican party which praises Hitler (citation needed).

If anything you're not the serious person here.

[mexicocitinluez]

> He donates to the Republican party which praises Hitler (citation needed).

Here you go:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-...

and another:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/05/florida-inte...

He shard a video of a podcaster arguing Hitler had no desire to exterminate Jews and the Holocaust deaths were logistical failures.

His comments in Germany about too much past guilt.

The never-ending stream of tweets about white solidarity.

Restored white supremist accounts on X.

You're the new flat earther movement.

[Acrobatic_Road]

Your link doesn't show that the Republican party praises Hitler. Everybody involved in that story was condemned by mainstream Republicans. The one elected official was told to step down by the Republican governor of Vermont, and he did. You can find radical voices on the left who praise Stalin or the IRGC. That doesn't mean those views are mainstream in the party.

>He shard a video of a podcaster arguing Hitler had no desire to exterminate Jews and the Holocaust deaths were logistical failures.

The episode covered a lot of material that had nothing to do with WW2 or the Holocaust and Elon never endorsed any particular claims in it. In any case, Elon took down the post and put up a community note debunking Cooper's argument after people pointed it out.

You can find the episode here: https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-darryl-cooper

>His comments in Germany about too much past guilt.

I agree with it. Why should people people feel guilty for the actions of others? It serves no purpose other than to further mass immigration. Elon Musk wants to end mass immigration into western countries which is why he supports right wing political parties in Europe and America. That doesn't make him or those political parties "nazi". You can oppose mass immigration without being a nazi.

[mexicocitinluez]

WHAT??? lol They literally said "I love hitler"

> Everybody involved in that story was condemned by mainstream Republicans.

lol huh?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/16/first-thing-...

> In any case, Elon took down the post and put up a community note debunking Cooper's argument after people pointed it out.

Ahh yes, the genius billionaire who doesn't understand basic English. That just coincidentally didn't realize he was platforming Nazis. That continues to spread racist bullshit on his X account.

> Why should people people feel guilty for the actions of others?

My point exactly. You're a child.

You're the new flat earthers.

[Acrobatic_Road]

It was condemned by New York and Vermont Republicans including the Republican governor of Vermont. Then New York Republicans voted to dissolve the organization. As for Vance's comments, he is pointing out that many of the participants were young and shouldn't have their lives ruined over this. I agree. People are capable of change, and young people are prone to saying stupid things.

>Ahh yes, the genius billionaire who doesn't understand basic English.

Do you remember everything that gets said in a multi-hour podcast? Do you even listen all the way through?

>flat earthers

I think you are living in a bubble. I suggest you go touch grass and maybe even talk with your Republican neighbors about their beliefs.