[oa335]

> Maybe if those countries stopped attacking Israel they wouldn't be in war Mr. warmonger.

Maybe if Israel stopped violently expropriating Arab lands, and assaulting and raping Arabs without consequences. It’s really not that complicated.

[YZF]

This is nonsense and you know it.

[ahhhhnoooo]

> Israel stopped violently expropriating Arab lands

This is objectively happening in the West Bank and Gaza.

> assaulting and raping Arabs without consequences.

This is also objectively happening. A group of IDF soldiers were filmed raping a man to death. Their punishment? Literally nothing. They are cheered by some.

You cannot possibly believe that these sorts of behaviors are helping calm things.

[dlubarov]

> raping a man to death

That's not true, he's alive and was released to Gaza in a hostage-for-prisoner exchange.

> Their punishment? Literally nothing.

It's probably hard to win a case without the victim to testify. The video is something, but far too low-quality to prove who did what beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecutors can't ignore evidentiary standards and don't like to lose cases.

At least they were detained and investigated. Can you say the same of the individuals who paraded their rape victims around the streets of Gaza?

[ahhhhnoooo]

Apologies. I did conflate two instances of rape. There are so many, it's possible that I combined two - one where the victim had a ruptured bowel, lung damage, broken ribs, and a torn anus; and another that lead to a death.

That said, when Ben-Gvir says any action is justifiable, including rape, in defense of Israel and when the person who leaked the video gets arrested and when a poll by the Israeli Democracy Institute finds the majority of Israelis support not investigating claims of rape it's very difficult for me to be credulous towards the idea that these are just a couple bad apples.

[oa335]

> raping a man to death That's not true, he's alive and was released to Gaza in a hostage-for-prisoner exchange.

Yes, he was merely hospitalized with life-threatening internal bleeding.

However there is at least one case of a death by rape, maybe he got confused?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/24/dying-in-hell-pale...

There are so many instances of sexual violence perpetrated by Israeli security forces and settlers, it’s hard to keep track.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240317080119/https://news.un.o...

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-prisoners-lawyer-mahajneh/...

https://youtu.be/2WKeKZ6Csro

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/18/middleeast/west-bank-resi...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-s...

> rape victims around the streets of Gaza

Most Gazans don’t believe Hamas raped anyone. It’s disingenuous to claim they were celebrating rape. Can you please share any public, non-anonymous accounts from Oct 7th either rape victims or witnesses?

Conversely, Israeli politicians and protestors have explicitly agitate for the right to rape detainees.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia...

[dlubarov]

I'm not sure what the point is of piling on different accusations. Only one has any evidence, but let's just imagine for the sake of argument that they're all true. Then Israel has at least several criminals, just like every other country on the planet.

Is the idea that it's okay to post misinformation about Israelis because Israelis are bad? If I can identify several Canadian criminals, then since we've established that Canadians are bad people, is it fine to post misinformation about other Canadians?

[TimorousBestie]

To reassert the lost context, here is the original claim and counter-claim:

>>> Maybe if Israel stopped violently expropriating Arab lands, and assaulting and raping Arabs without consequences. It’s really not that complicated.

>> This is nonsense and you know it.

It’s apparent from the copious evidence presented here (with which you do not engage) that the original claim was, in fact, not nonsense. A real counter-argument would show 1) that these events did not occur or 2) that there were consequences for the assailants.

> Then Israel has at least several criminals, just like every other country on the planet.

Irrelevant false balance on a literally global scale. May I use this example in the logic text I’ve been workshopping?