[wussboy]

Humans used to get on ships and sail away, perhaps never to be heard from again. We can absolutely survive several minutes of confusion around eating arrangements. "Text me when you get there." Let's all just calm down and live with a little uncertainty

[wolvoleo]

Go for it but don't force it on me.

[borski]

There will always be other places that don’t care.

But I think it’s okay to appreciate the world around you and spend time being present while waiting for someone. We used to do this all the time. People watching is fun.

[wolvoleo]

Yeah there'll be others sure.

There's another aspect: these days most people don't like being told what to do. When it infringes on other people's lives like making photos I understand but anything else nope.

I couldn't imagine working in an army either. I'd never let them get away with barking at me.

[borski]

People have never liked being told what to do. Even in the military, it's rare that anyone likes being told what to do. The point is that you do it anyway, because you are disciplined and believe in the chain of command, provided you aren't being asked to do something illegal.

If you don't trust your chain of command, then there are issues. But militaries are decidedly not democracies, because the military often requires swift action, and democracies move slowly by design.

[wolvoleo]

I am absolutely not disciplined and don't believe in a chain of command though. And I never will.

There's talk of bringing military service back in my country but I would honestly prefer fighting my own country than the enemy.

I hope more people are going to be like that when they implement it.

[borski]

That's fine, I wasn't trying to convince you. :) I was just clarifying that there isn't a human alive who actually likes being told what to do. There is usually a reason they do it anyway, but it is rarely because they like it.

(I am exaggerating, and in the sense of pleasure there are obviously submissive people, etc., but you get my point, I think)

[frollogaston]

Should be forced