[breppp]

I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically

Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

[rvnx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification - the definition of consent is very stretched.

[breppp]

Thats not how most of the manpower gets there, without even knowing the Ukraine example, I venture to guess based on the superior morale of Ukrainian forces, that most are drafted willingly.

This still does not prove the very general statement GP made, which doesn't align with draft reality in historical wars

[Operating4762]

Many of those who were drafted willingly, already died, it’s the 5th year of war

[breppp]

We are talking 150k dead and 800k volunteers, and another 1 million more drafted. I don't think your statement is correct

[carlosjobim]

Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.

[breppp]

Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean.

Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that

[carlosjobim]

Name 10 common soldiers who liberated a concentration camp , from the top of your head. If you care so much about that as you give the impression of doing.

[breppp]

Sorry I am failing to see your point.

Are you implying that the fact there are no common soldiers famous for liberating concentration camps, means that saving further millions that would be killed by the eventual Nazi occupation of Europe, is in vain?

[carlosjobim]

You - who ask for people to sacrifice their lives in the most horrific ways - don't even care to know the names of any of those who have done that before.

To most people, these soldiers are just part of a nameless and faceless mass of flesh and meat to be utilized and expended.

Who would want that to be his destiny? Certainly not you, because you are here on HN typing and not putting your life on the line to defend innocent people in Ukraine, in Haiti, in Africa, and so on.

[breppp]

I don't know, I served in my country's army so I have no issue saying that.

You don't have to be the famous astronaut to be an anonymous part of the space program and participate in doing something worthwhile like getting a man to the moon. I am having trouble understanding your all-or-nothing argument, and apparently your need for worldwide recognition for an action to have meaning.

In any case, I am sure you have done something in your life as worthwhile as the anonymous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roddie_Edmonds

[lifestyleguru]

Silicon valley privileged mindset in Europe, what are you talking about?! You mean Piotr, Ivan, and Andrei working remotely for American company for equivalent of 60k USD annually?

Most armies in Europe, especially in post-Communist part of it, are nepotist corrupted structures. People go there for tax and housing benefits and early retirement. They are not even particularly fit, skilled, or trained to fight with an invader. Especially in these countries men aged 18-45 have absolutely nothing to fight for.