[carlosjobim]

Millions of people enjoy great lives today because at least one of their ancestors were smart enough to not go to the meat grinder. While millions of young men became genetic dead ends dead in a ditch for no reason at all. Even their names forgotten forever.

[breppp]

Millions of people were not burned to death due to not living under Nazi rule you mean.

Most of our ancestors did join a draft, as it was universal, be it the Napoleon wars, WW1 or WW2. This interpretation of history is highly creative I will give you that

[carlosjobim]

Name 10 common soldiers who liberated a concentration camp , from the top of your head. If you care so much about that as you give the impression of doing.

[breppp]

Sorry I am failing to see your point.

Are you implying that the fact there are no common soldiers famous for liberating concentration camps, means that saving further millions that would be killed by the eventual Nazi occupation of Europe, is in vain?

[carlosjobim]

You - who ask for people to sacrifice their lives in the most horrific ways - don't even care to know the names of any of those who have done that before.

To most people, these soldiers are just part of a nameless and faceless mass of flesh and meat to be utilized and expended.

Who would want that to be his destiny? Certainly not you, because you are here on HN typing and not putting your life on the line to defend innocent people in Ukraine, in Haiti, in Africa, and so on.

[breppp]

I don't know, I served in my country's army so I have no issue saying that.

You don't have to be the famous astronaut to be an anonymous part of the space program and participate in doing something worthwhile like getting a man to the moon. I am having trouble understanding your all-or-nothing argument, and apparently your need for worldwide recognition for an action to have meaning.

In any case, I am sure you have done something in your life as worthwhile as the anonymous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roddie_Edmonds

[carlosjobim]

Then I wish you good luck when you're drafted to fight a war, or decide on your own volition to go fight. But I couldn't ask you or anybody else to make that kind of sacrifice. As most soldiers in history died for nothing - and killed for nothing.

Every man who refused to go to war and has progeny living today did something more worthwhile than those young soldiers - many of them true heroes - who died in the mud or the snow without having any kids of their own.

But I'm not anti-military, rather the contrary. But it should be for those who want to fight from their own free will - like many of the most successful armies through history.