[kleiba]

Between employers and employees, loyalty is only expected one way.

[sneak]

Not really. You can quit at any time, too. A job today isn’t (and shouldn’t be) any guarantee of a job tomorrow.

[kleiba]

I guess what I meant to say is that clearly, one side here expects loyalty from the other side but isn't really giving any themselves.

[wiseowise]

> A job today isn’t (and shouldn’t be) any guarantee of a job tomorrow.

Also relationships, kids and stability. Spend all your life in perpetual anxiety, rent all your life, you will own nothing and be happy! Also, here’s a bowl of insect protein while we’re at it.

[sneak]

You can quit your relationships at any time, too. That's a fundamental tenet of our society - consent to an interaction between free people can be withdrawn at any moment for any reason.

That's not perpetual anxiety - that's the way things work today, and the way things have worked for generations. Anyone pretending otherwise is fooling themselves with lies.

[wiseowise]

Before I continue with this thread, how old are you? And have you ever been in a long time relationship with someone? Do you own a house? Have kids?

[HomeDeLaPot]

You want the government to force employers to provide a social safety net rather than the government providing it directly?

The problem isn't that people can be fired, it's that their food, housing, and medical care are all dependent on or provided through their employer.

[wiseowise]

> A job today isn’t (*and shouldn’t be*) any guarantee of a job tomorrow.

This is nonsense and shouldn’t be normalized.

[randomNumber7]

In germany you have the opposite and it is also nonsense.

You have to work with people that do literally nothing (usefull to the goal of the company) and they can't be fired.

Companies are afraid to hire. Young people only get short therm contracts. If a company needs to cut jobs it has to keep employees with children over the others.

What society will be more productive?

[wiseowise]

What makes you think that productivity is the most important goal? I’ll take Germany way over Silicon Valley bullshit any time of the day.

[sneak]

Normalized? It’s how things work everywhere. The burden of proof is on you to specify why you think this is “nonsense” and on what basis you justify violatiny the consent of one of the parties.