[Imustaskforhelp]

This has been flagged twice by people of Hackernews.

I genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith but I will still try to do my best.

Previous discussion (at edit 27 points): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47553964

Unless someone gives me a genuine reason as to why people are flagging it and the people who are flagging it can come state the reason publicly, just as how I am able to defend that this should be talked about and discussed publicly. I will continue to re-post this.

I just want to raise awareness and not let censorship win.

This post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post. I hope I can convey that and I hope that the streisand effect plays a part here and people become well aware of this post.

@dang, can you please prevent such posts from getting flagged? Unless there is a reason as to why these might get flagged from a hackernews moderation standpoint, it feel as if a blatant misuse of the abuse feature.

Have a nice day.

[JumpCrisscross]

> genuinely don't know how to respond to this in good faith

Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link. Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing.

> post is beyond political, its a humanitarian post

If it’s not political, it’s irrelevant. Gawking at humanitarian disaster isn’t a popular pass-time outside narrow bands of the internet.

If you’re posting it to effect change, it is political. That’s fine. But I’m also sceptical why this would be expected to change the balance of views on the wars in the region. IDF and Hamas—the former, probably due to resources, at larger scale than the latter—being horrible to captives is well established.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye

[dang]

This subthread was originally in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47557437 before we merged the threads. (I mention this because otherwise the bit about archive links doesn't make sense.)

[_DeadFred_]

Dang, can we post topical Ukrainian news stories now? Because it wasn't allowed for so long and all the strong wording around it not being allowed most people have probably given up, but it would be good to know if the seemingly new policy applies to all conflicts now or just Gaza/Iran seeing as you are now un-flaging conflict related threads.

[JumpCrisscross]

> it wasn't allowed for so long

Ukraine has been my pet war for years now. I never got this sense. It just needed to have a novel technological or geostrategic angle to make the front page. "Russia is being evil" didn't usually meet that threshold because it's not news, just colouring in between the lines.

[Imustaskforhelp]

> Not flagging, but also not upvoting. One, it’s an ambiguous archive link

This wasn't the case with the previous post that I mentioned yet it got flagged

? . Two, I’m not getting the sense that the source is unbiased [1]. For a contentious topic, I want to form my opinions—and hear those of fellow HN users—around rock-solid sourcing.

When the post had gotten flagged/ I had thought of giving another link like msn (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gaza-toddler-released-f...) and this is a bit more in-depth (https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military/palesti...)

But I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong

Also oops, yea I had just the link of archive.org and not the proper link (https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...)

I am editing this for that, thank you for suggesting this!

Edit: I can't edit the hackernews post, I am a bit sorry then to hackernews community for just sharing the archive.org link but I had accidentally pasted just the archive link instead, a bit sorry about that, perhaps moderators (if they wish) can change to this particular link or if someone wants to read it: https://web.archive.org/web/20260328122756/https://www.middl...

[JumpCrisscross]

> I found no articles as thorough as this one. I don't believe as to if anything is factually wrong

Did a physician ever evaluate the child? And were the neighbours’ accounts that the child was unharmed when handed over by the father to the IDF independently verified?

Torturing a toddler wouldn’t be out of character for the IDF right now. But just because something is believable doesn’t mean it’s true. The fact that nobody else is reporting on this should be cause for pause.

[gibbitz]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-to...

There are details here including quotations from an unnamed doctor. If feel you can't trust the media credentials of the Independent, you could contact them for the identity of the unnamed doctor (who they are likely protecting based on the nature of the conflict) and ask them directly.

[dang]

The doctor is named in the article now, perhaps as part of a later edit.

Since people are questioning the objectivity of the other domain, we'll use this link you found for the merged thread. I'll put the original link in the top text.

[gibbitz]

Did you investigate it? If someone posted that Claude code created a new language that was typesafe and 50% more efficient for LLM coding and 20% faster for a human to review without any details about the language, would you not look it up?

No knock on you directly, just an observation about the attitude in our culture. If this is true a child was tortured, if it's false someone is lying and needs to be outed (with facts) so they are not trusted. Neither one is good but is no one looking into it?

[JumpCrisscross]

> Did you investigate it?

Nope. Rejecting a source doesn’t mean I am obligated to investigate it. As I said, whether this is true or not doesn’t seem particularly politically relevant. It would be interesting to know. But purely for curiosity, not because I think it will have practical effects.

[anukin]

I generally don’t like something not related to tech in hacker news. Humanitarian crisis is happening across the world. There were no posts here for Sudanese people. None for Nigerian Christians or Bangladeshi Hindus. Or is humanitarian crisis only happen when certain people are involved in them? I have noticed this all across the wider web. Only when Muslims suffer from hands of non Muslims, there are protests and posts in support of them. Pakistan is openly committing human rights violations against baluchis and have done it against Bangladeshi Hindus. Sudan and Somalia have both been supported by the gulf countries. Maybe start protesting and have same amount of human feelings for non Muslims as well.

[Imustaskforhelp]

> Pakistan is openly committing human rights violations against baluchis and have done it against Bangladeshi Hindus

Hello, I am an Indian (Hindu) person, I have made my stance extremely clear when the recent attack on India was done by terrorists in which there was a religious angle as well where Islamist extremist terrorists asked to recite an Islamic prayer otherwise they were shot.

That event has traumatized me as well, I may not have submitted it but there has always been a conflict between Hindus and Muslims after the British divided us.

I also support the baloch movement, in the sense that, Pakistani corruption/militarial aggression has severely underfunded the region while its get its resources extracted from.

So, if anything, according to your comment, you should feel like I should be against all of muslims.

but that is not the case, there are good muslims and bad muslims, just as how there are good jews and bad jews and just as how there are good and bad hindus

Essentially, religion doesn't play a role in good or bad but religion certainly extremizes the elements

In this case it was religious extremist agression from Israel (Jewish faith) to Islam/Palestine.

In our case it was religious extremist aggression from Islamist Extremist terrorist to India in pahalgam attack which had shook the nation to its core.

My point is, I can't/won't see Innocent people/kids dying, and yes, this goes beyond religion, for the most part.

I have also been aware of the sudanese people, its a real tragedy where UAE/Dubai are funding opposite sides and rape/murder/slaughtering of Innocent people are also happening, its really scary as well.

> Maybe start protesting and have same amount of human feelings for non Muslims as well.

I kind of do, It's just that Innocent Muslims are dying in higher proportions simply because they are in war-torn regions caused by Israel/US in this case of Iran/Palestine.

I genuinely want all wars to go over and have either an element of co-existence or mutual agreement for the most part.

[defrost]

> There were no posts here for Sudanese people.

You've made two submissions, neither were about Sudan.

> None for Nigerian Christians

Here's one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45789043

> Only when Muslims suffer from hands of non Muslims, there are protests and posts in support of them.

There are vast numbers of posts about Ukraine and its attack by Russia. Daily I see many comments expressing human feelings for people across the spectrum, muslim, non muslim, male, female, et al.

Perhaps your impressions are a little blinkered.

[anukin]

I have seen posts about Palestine here much more than the one you got for the Nigerian Christians. The one you got is from 2025 even when the issue is still ongoing. Maybe your impressions are muddied?

[defrost]

Your impression was there were _none_.

That error on your part aside, submission _topics_ here on HN are biased toward US / Western / English speaking tech interests and geographies ...

Hence the low low number of Chinese posts about tech in rural China, etc.

The topics that are posted, however (eg: Gaza, Ukraine in the political sphere) attract a breadth of viewpoints (both pro Israel and pro Palestine in the Gaza example).

Your post above essentially laments that everything is pro Muslim on HN.

You are wrong.

[ThrowawayR2]

The site moderators have said that they do not see @ mentions. If you want to reach them, use the email address on the contact page linked at the bottom of the page.

Re-submitting links to try to force attention to it is also not the correct approach. If you believe a story has been wrongly flagged, directly email the HN administrators with a link to the original submission.

[f33d5173]

This is not the right forum for this discussion. Flagging is exactly the correct response.

[TomeveilSeeker]

It just proves again how White people think suffering is only for "WHITE PEOPLE", for other barbarian people, it doesn't matter.

Hackernews is dominated by white people and Indians, it's not surprising they support rape and all other crimes of Israel. If it was not the case, then this should have been surprising.

[Imustaskforhelp]

I am an Indian (Hindu), Ironically, People have accused me of only caring about only Muslim feelings (:

I don't stand with rape and all other crimes of Israel because I don't judge these actions by the religion of the victims and yes, even if that might mean that, that religion might have done the same to us (Pahalgam attack which shook the nation)

I think my point is, just because muslim extremism has impacted our lives doesn't mean that Innocent muslims, especially kids should be tortured. I am more than happy if everyone removes extremist element, period.

I have said this consistently here, but this goes beyond any religion. People are treating it as a muslim kid being impacted but I am seeing it as my kid being impacted.

This war started recently, the people living their didn't know this could happen to them

We dont know the future, what if something like this might happen to one of us where the enemy might be someone else, maybe even Extremist Islam

I have raised my voice against opresssion, I don't discriminate against who I speak or not as I try to speak against the wrong, as long as someone innocent is getting opressed, My heart goes out to them and religion shouldn't have to do too much with it.

My idea maybe is that too, that, if we show support of normal people even if religious differences collide, we can show that we are beyond religion and actually help bring down Extremism/will help them bring internal resistance too if something bad is done from their extremist side.

At some point, I believe in Humanity and sharing that Humanity, So its quite shocking to say, but, its best that we start treating muslim people as humans too.

Atleast that's what my religion has taught me personally, I really don't discriminate based on religion for the most part but I do understand why people might do that but I feel like all it does is seperate us even further and I wouldn't be able to have a coherent moral framework if I become hypocritical in who I criticize/don't and become partial to it.

[burnt-resistor]

Yep, it's Global North, class, and privilege bias. Unconscious to conscious racism that pervades the Global North as superior and more meaningful than the suffering of others locally or in distant lands because they're not as rich or don't look like them. History and the modern day are replete examples: African slaves in the Americas, American Indians, (Monroe Doctrine), Armenia, Vietnam, Bosnia, Rwanda, East Timor, Sudan, Darfur, Afghanistan, Iraq, Uygurs, Rohingya, many more ... and then comes Ukraine and "Oh, no, not pale Europeans" solidarity lasted for a couple of years with not as much support as 2022.

OTOH, while the Shoah (Holocaust) is a crucial case study in history and human nature that hints at systematic repression and humiliation suffered by Jews and similar groups in various forms for 2300+ years, it was perverted by some into exceptionalism justification for neocolonial ethno-religio-nationalist supremacy in the realm of Kahanism and its allied supporters in government.