[olalonde]

As a philosophical zombie myself[0], I'm well aware of how hard it is to define and test consciousness. That's why I tried to clarify what I meant with: desire for self-preservation and intrinsic motivation. Which LLMs clearly lack, don't you agree? Also, I'm not saying that those things couldn't be programmed in, just that so far, they don't seem necessary.

[0] I lack a conscious experience and qualia

[petesergeant]

> desire for self-preservation and intrinsic motivation

I’d be curious about how you’re showing they lack either of those

[olalonde]

They don't try to prevent you from deleting them and they don't output anything unless prompted.

[samusiam]

"they don't output anything unless prompted"

Unprompted they're not unlike a human sleeping or in a coma. Those states don't preclude consciousness in other states.

[olalonde]

That's besides the point though.

[Fraterkes]

How can you tell that you lack conscious experience and qualia?

[womble2]

They assert that they dont have them, in the same way you (presumably) assert that you do have them. Neither have any further evidence and one is not a prioi more likely than the other.

[olalonde]

Yep, this basically. I tend to get along well with solipsists.