[srean]

Patriot of Persia https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12202123-patriot-of-pers...

An important book to read.

So many people think this started with the islamic revolution of the 70s. The meddling goes further in time.

[gravisultra]

Zionists have been meddling in the Middle East since their ideology was created in the late 1800s.

[margalabargala]

The current Middle East situation dates back to at least the second millenium BCE.

[JasonADrury]

Including the significant amount of recent European immigrants?

[margalabargala]

Obviously the recent immigrants are recent. Anything that is recent is recent.

Was there a time in the last several thousand years when there was not a "significant amount of recent X immigrants"?

No there was not. The whole region is layers upon layers upon layers of waves of immigration of different groups.

[gravisultra]

No it dates to the late 1800s with the creation of Zionism. It's important that we stay rooted in history and not religious mythology.

[margalabargala]

The Middle East had plenty of wars, religious violence, etc long before the late 1800s. The Crusades are not religious mythology. The Mongols are not religious mythology. The Rashidun Caliphate was not religious mythology. These are just three entries in a very long list of non-peaceful power shifts in the Levant.

[gravisultra]

None of that has anything to do with "Israel", which is a creation of Zionism, again from the late 1800s.

[margalabargala]

Sure. We're both right.

You said: "$group has been meddling in the Middle East since $group was created"

I said: "groups have been meddling in the Middle East for millenia."

You disagreed, apparently because you're choosing to define "the current situation" as "Zionists meddling in the Middle East" so I suppose you're tautologically correct that the "current situation" has been around as long as they have.