[gravisultra]

No it dates to the late 1800s with the creation of Zionism. It's important that we stay rooted in history and not religious mythology.

[margalabargala]

The Middle East had plenty of wars, religious violence, etc long before the late 1800s. The Crusades are not religious mythology. The Mongols are not religious mythology. The Rashidun Caliphate was not religious mythology. These are just three entries in a very long list of non-peaceful power shifts in the Levant.

[gravisultra]

None of that has anything to do with "Israel", which is a creation of Zionism, again from the late 1800s.

[margalabargala]

Sure. We're both right.

You said: "$group has been meddling in the Middle East since $group was created"

I said: "groups have been meddling in the Middle East for millenia."

You disagreed, apparently because you're choosing to define "the current situation" as "Zionists meddling in the Middle East" so I suppose you're tautologically correct that the "current situation" has been around as long as they have.

[gravisultra]

Humanity has had wars since homo sapiens evolved (and prior) that doesn't remove all context and morality (viewed through any lens).

[margalabargala]

You're saying the same thing.

Saying "the situation with the Zionists has existed as long as Zionism has existed" is the same as saying "the situation with Homo sapiens has existed as long as Homo sapiens has".