[petcat]

> China has much lower crime, cheaper healthcare and is making progress in other aspects.

China is also a horrifying place to live unless you are content just to participate quietly in society and never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a private WeChat.

https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-soci...

[vablings]

I mean such is life for anyone who is not a full-blown citizen of the United States. If you speak bad of the current administration or its allies expect to be punished extrajudicially

[petcat]

> If you speak bad of the current administration or its allies expect to be punished extrajudicially

I have no fear of calling the current US president a pedo, or saying "Fuck the Police" on my Twitter.

Let's not equate the USA to places like China or Russia.

[vablings]

My first part of the statement presupposed you are not a US Citizen but a US persons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_and_deportation_controver...

The constitution applies to all people in the United States, one of the reasons I found it infuriating that in Trumps state of the union explicitly stated, "American government is to protect American citizens". If you are in the US illegally or not you are a US person and you have legal rights afforded to you by the founding fathers

[johnnyanmac]

I don't see much difference these days. Substitute wechat for X and that's the US for anyone non-white.

[armenarmen]

I'm hallucinating whenever I see an election sign in non-white's yard I guess

[johnnyanmac]

If you think China is some mass surveillance state where every single yard of dissent is carpet bombed: yes, I can see why you think that way.

Just like the US, it can take a whike for thr CCP to get around to every individual. It's a large country. Your mistake is thinking that that's the line it has to get to before we can compare a country to China/Russia.

[armenarmen]

I don't disagree. It can (thankfully) take quite a while to get around to every dissenter. I also don't disagree that we have to wait for a particular milestone to compare ourselves to China/Russia.

Where you lose me is: > I don't see much difference these days. Substitute wechat for X and that's the US for anyone non-white.

Again, I agree with you on most of your points. But I think you're doing yourself, and all freedom loving peoples a disservice by dividing the victims of this state action. Hence my sarcastic reply.

If there is to be any resistance to state over reach, telling the racial majority of the country that it doesn't happen to them or it's not a "white/euro american issue" is counterproductive at best.

[johnnyanmac]

> I think you're doing yourself, and all freedom loving peoples a disservice by dividing the victims of this state action.

There have been at least 2 explicit murders by state actors on the streets, hundreds of wrongfully deported people who aren't back to this day, and thousands stuck in concentration camps.

No, it's not at '6 million jews' level (yet). But I'm fairly comfortable admitting that these actions are at a scale where we aren't too different from Russia nor China. Downplaying it now is how we get to those massive, unignorable numbers later on.

>If there is to be any resistance to state over reach, telling the racial majority of the country that it doesn't happen to them or it's not a "white/euro american issue" is counterproductive at best.

It disproportionately is not happening to them, though. That's what made the 2 murders mentioned earlier so high profile. Undeniably white suburban citizens gunned down.

I'm not telling them to not take action. It's more like their inaction or outright support is why we got this far to begin with. No snowflake feels at fault in an avalanche.