[orf]

They are asking me to author my contributions in a way that they approve of. The essence of the request is the same as asking someone to author them whilst standing on their head.

Except they don’t, won’t and can’t control that: the very request is insulting.

I’ll make a change any way I choose, upright, sideways, using AI. My choice. Not theirs.

Their choice is to accept it or reject it based purely on the change itself, because that’s all there is.

[eschaton]

If you’re going to lie and say there was no LLM involved, what else are you going to lie about? Copying code from another codebase with incompatible license terms, perhaps?

I would say people should be wary of any contributions whatsoever from a filthy fucking liar.

[orf]

> what else are you going to lie about?

Nothing? Everything? Does it fucking matter? Assigning trust across a boundary like this is stupid, and that’s my point.

Oh, would you just accept my blatantly, verbatim copied-from-another-codebase-and-relicensed PR just because I said “I solemnly swear this is not blatantly, verbatim copied from another codebase and relicensed”?

That’s on you for stupidly assigning any trust to the author of the change. It’s the internet: nobody knows you’re a dog.

[kuschku]

> Oh, would you just accept my blatantly, verbatim copied-from-another-codebase-and-relicensed PR just because I said “I solemnly swear this is not blatantly, verbatim copied from another codebase and relicensed”?

At that point you've proven intention, meaning you'll get the chance to argue your viewpoint in front of a judge.

[orf]

> At that point you've proven intention, meaning you'll get the chance to argue your viewpoint in front of a judge.

Sure, put out an international search warrant for xXImADogOnTheInternet86Xx.

[kuschku]

Please stop embarrassing yourself, that's unnecessary.

Many major projects now require a signed DCO with a real name. That can be a nickname if you have a reasonable online presence under that name, but generally it has to identify you as an individual.

So you wouldn't sign it as "xXImADogOnTheInternet86Xx", but as "Tom Forbes (orf)".

And even if there won't be direct legal consequences, it'd certainly affect your ability to contribute to this or other projects in the future.

[dang]

Please make your substantive points without swipes. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Your comment would be fine without that first bit.

[orf]

I’m really struggling to understand why you think any of this means anything?

Why would I sign it as my real name? Does the DCO require ID verification? No? So it would be “Mr Ima Dog”.

People can lie in the internet, saying “oh but no they can’t because there’s a form they need to fill in!!” is supremely off topic nonsense.

[duskdozer]

So, "might makes right", essentially?

[orf]

No, just a normal reaction to someone trying to force their beliefs on you.

[pmarreck]

Instead of arguing for violating the boundaries of a "slow, bespoke" no-LLM project, you can simply start one that enjoys all the benefits of LLMs by NOT having that boundary. Very simple solution.

[duskdozer]

You can choose not to contribute instead of intentionally violating their boundaries.

[orf]

Their boundaries. If they don’t want to accept the code, cool. Nobody is forcing them to, and I respect that.

But if they can’t enforce their boundaries, because they can’t tell the difference between AI code and non-AI code without being told, then their boundaries they made up are unenforceable nonsense.

About as nonsense and enforceable as asking me to code upside down.

[jacquesm]

I'll make this blunt: if you're a guy then half the population is not capable of 'enforcing their boundaries' against you, more so if you count children. The problem you seem to have is to think that if someone is not capable of enforcing their boundaries that they are not allowed to have those boundaries and that it is your god given right to do whatever the F* you want just because you can. That's not how the world works, nor is it how it should work.

Boundaries - of all kinds - are not unenforceable nonsense, they are rights that you willingly and knowingly violate.

[duskdozer]

So we're back to might makes right then: "you can't stop me, so I'll do whatever I want to you."

[orf]

What a reductive argument. Is this your first day on planet earth? If so, here’s what you need to know:

- people can just say things

- when people say things, you don’t have to listen to them

- not listening to them doesn’t make you superior or more powerful than them

We can practice: I’d like you to always comment in uppercase letters from now on please. It’s my policy.