[DeepSeaTortoise]

Isn't Shanghai a Tier 1 city? IMO it's not very representative of the whole country.

It's also not like China is an overachieving outlier, but western nations actively having been sabotaged by its leadership at least since 1990 and MUCH MUCH more so since occupy wallstreet.

FFS Germany is blowing up its nuclear powerplants on a never before seen record breaking schedule so that a potential successor government cant reactivate them.

[iLoveOncall]

Yes but it was the same in the two Tier 1.5-2 cities I also went to.

Obviously it's not the whole country, but it's setting a trend still, especially when it's always the richest who pollute the most per capita.

[DeepSeaTortoise]

Interesting, never heard anyone calling some place a Tier 1.5 city. Is this a recent development as "almost official" as the Tiers itself, something obvious I just never picked up on or people taking pride in their Tier 2s doing really well?

Also why does the Tier list keep expanding downwards? Wasn't being called a Tier 4 basically exclusively an insult? Sub culture not being satisfied with just embracing rotting anymore, but now racing for the bottom of the sea?

[iLoveOncall]

I don't know to be fair, just repeating what my Chinese wife called those cities. Not tier-1, but bigger than other tier-2.