[compounding_it]

yes pretty much this. make useless features use up resources and make basic scrolling slow.

the Liquid Glass for example probably is not so great when it comes to resources. Probably works better with latest metal and hardware blocks on the GPU in M5 as opposed to using GPU cores and unified memory on 8gb M1 making latest macOS work not so great. I have the M1 8gb air and it is really slow on Tahoe. It was snappy just a couple of years ago on a fresh install.

[OccamsMirror]

I'm so tempted to do this. But having to wipe my MBP is currently too much friction for me.

Liquid Glass is really killing my love for Apple products. I'll probably get a Framework and an Android phone for my next device purchases.

They really need to just admit it was a bad move and make like Sonic.

[neor]

For my work device I've disabled Liquid glass completely. The accessibility options to reduce transparency and increase contrast improve the readability of the system a lot.

Booting a 15 year old Mac a while ago had me surprised how clean the interface actually is. The Dock/Desktop look a lot better in the old versions, and the age is mostly showing in apps like Finder which do look a bit dated.

I really hope someone at Apple is going to make the call to drastically reduce the Liquid Glass design and start complying with their own UX guidelines again.

[seec]

The animations and layout of Liquid Glass aren't that bad, but it is really ugly in many ways.

They could have just made some layout improvements without trashing everything visually; that's sad, really.

The contour they put around the icon is really, really bad. How the fuck did they approve that?

[samat]

I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb

Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.

[brucehoult]

Sequoia is 15. I still have my M1 Mini on Sonoma 14.5.

It keeps nagging me to update to Tahoe.

Oh ... I just checked, and I could update to 14.8.4. Maybe that's safe.

[vunderba]

Same. Been rocking Sonoma on my M1 Mac for years at this point and it’s been great. There’s been almost zero upsides to upgrading MacOS versions lately.

[JMiao]

Why not Sequoia?

[brucehoult]

None of the new features appeal to me.

[freefaler]

When they force developers to upgrade the SDK some of the apps will stop working and you'd be forced to upgrade.

I've been holding out as you do for as long as I can but in 1-2 years the apps just stop working (some of them).

[abustamam]

I think this could go equally for Windows as well, and many other software (not just OS). I purpose refrained from Tahoe because I didn't like the design but I wanted to know what the consensus was on it before upgrading. Apparently it's bad!

Win 11 is bad compared to Win 10 as well. I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there.

[happymellon]

> I think this could go equally for Windows as well

Absolutely. Why are all the buttons centred on the task bar for Windows 11? Violation of so many design rules. Literally the worst part of MacOS they took there which contradicted other reasons for the design. Throwing the mouse to the corner for a start button no longer works. I could go on.

> I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there.

Gnome is great if you want something that gets out of your way. Some folks lament that its not as UI feature rich as KDE, but for me thats a bonus. The minimal UI combined with concentrating on UI features such as better mixed monitor scaling, etc. Love it.

KDE is extremely flexible, and featureful. You don't like the Windows default look and feel, make it a dock. Make it similar to Windows 8. Go wild. Not my thing these days but I can completely understand the draw to not be beholden to other peoples design choices if they don't fit your style.

I haven't used XFCE for a long time, as it didn't keep up with my high resolution monitors. But it was fast and flexible, and I hear that they are addressing this stuff now.

i3 was great. I drifted away during the great Wayland migration when i had to upgrade my laptop, found a bunch of neat updates to Gnome for my hardware, and just haven't found the time to return.

But the main point is that you are not forced into any one person/corporate point of view.

[theodric]

> GNOME is great

For a different opinion, please see https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/

GNOME is extremely opinionated.

[happymellon]

> Some folks lament that its not as UI feature rich as KDE, but for me thats a bonus.

Yep, I know it is opinionated and I really like a lot of their decisions. Most of what he says in that is "it doesn't clone Windows therefore it breaks my muscle memory". I don't care about your opinions and it isn't the same as mine.

But the best part is that it's optional.

[theodric]

> the best part is that it's optional

Strange, I've had the GNOME conversation with three people and all of them brought up that it's "optional." Strangely coincidental.

[dormento]

> Apple, the masters of UI, have wisely not forced the iPhone interface into MacOS.

oh no

(tbh surprisingly few references to Apple otherwise)