[tummler]

Scientific studies grasping for explanations to spiritual things always give me a smile. This is the way. It’s about opening up to the energetic experience being conveyed through the medium (art, music, whatever). Has nothing to do with individual variations in biology or physiology.

[LatencyKills]

> scientific studies grasping for explanations to spiritual things always give me a smile.

There are no "spiritual" things. Everything we experience is based upon biology and chemistry. Where do you think the "chills" come from if not synaptic firing?

[elemesmedve]

There are only "spiritual" "things". Where do you think "biology", "chemistry" and "synapses" come from?

[LatencyKills]

They are the result of an infinite and ever expanding cosmos; absolutely no magic thinking or beliefs are required. I don't need to pretend that magic exists just because processes are complex.

[elemesmedve]

What I'm getting at is the difference between subjective experience ("chills") and any theory describing it. ("Qualia", "no amount of simulating water will make anything wet", etc.)

Although personally I prefer scientific theories to describe reality (they are still the best/most useful), our experience is never "based" on theories.

[LatencyKills]

Well then we agree. I'm just not a fan of using the term "spiritual" for a physical event. No need to ascribe "chills" in a hand-wavy manner.

[tummler]

Why does the term “spiritual” bother you so much? Perhaps interrogate that.

[krzat]

IMO, if we had enough brain scans paired with descriptions of subjective experience, we could create a decent bridge between objective and subjective.

[fragmede]

They were created by magic Gaia energy spirit beings, obviously. Or God, if that is your desired flavor. Or the beings in control of the simulation we're living in.