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by elemesmedve 114 days ago
There are only "spiritual" "things". Where do you think "biology", "chemistry" and "synapses" come from?
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LatencyKills 114 days ago
They are the result of an infinite and ever expanding cosmos; absolutely no magic thinking or beliefs are required. I don't need to pretend that magic exists just because processes are complex.
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elemesmedve 114 days ago
What I'm getting at is the difference between subjective experience ("chills") and any theory describing it. ("Qualia", "no amount of simulating water will make anything wet", etc.)

Although personally I prefer scientific theories to describe reality (they are still the best/most useful), our experience is never "based" on theories.

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LatencyKills 114 days ago
Well then we agree. I'm just not a fan of using the term "spiritual" for a physical event. No need to ascribe "chills" in a hand-wavy manner.
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tummler 113 days ago
Why does the term “spiritual” bother you so much? Perhaps interrogate that.
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LatencyKills 113 days ago
I don't really have to interrogate why the term "spiritual" has absolutely no meaning wrt the genetic underpinnings of the effects discussed in the study. The study was scientific. It isn't complicated.
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krzat 113 days ago
IMO, if we had enough brain scans paired with descriptions of subjective experience, we could create a decent bridge between objective and subjective.
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fragmede 114 days ago
They were created by magic Gaia energy spirit beings, obviously. Or God, if that is your desired flavor. Or the beings in control of the simulation we're living in.
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