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by devmor 127 days ago
This is a terrifying level of chilling effects. What are we to consider about our nation at this point? "Free speech" has long been a term with contested definitions, but this certainly sounds like its death in every sense.
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The shift from democracy to dictatorship isn't a cliff that a lot of people imagine it to be. It's a gradual slide with no abrupt changes in between. If you're waiting for a signal, you'll get it at the bottom of the ramp.
When does a pile become a heap?

When they come for YOU.

Seriously this is why people use to take every government transgression and overreach so seriously. Now multiple times a day it's something that would have been a straight SCANDAL in the past.

It's happening right now y'all because it was always happening and will always happen without constant push back.

Don't wait!

Exactly! Never wait for a signal!

Right now they're 'flooding the zone' - a Steve Bannon slang for confusing and causing fatigue among people with far too many scandals far too often. I hope history will will remember him and his ilk with the reputation they deserve.

Free speech goes as far as the people who defend it.

CBS and its parent company are greedy cowards. If they won't defend free speech they're the ones causing its downfall.

Governments rule only with the consent of the people.

If you lay down and give away your freedoms you aren't the victim, you're the perpetrator.

Victim blaming?

Greedy for trying to stay in business.

If you didn’t fight hard enough it’s your fault?

You let the government of the hook to easily.

By your logic you‘re a perpetrator too because he don’t blame the real bad guy

> Greedy for trying to stay in business.

If CBS were headed by someone with gumption and less willingness to kowtow to the government, they could resist this pressure and still be fine. Worst case scenario, a merger would get rejected and they would be targeted by some spurious lawsuits. Going out of business is not a realistic risk.

What is a risk, however, is non-optimal shareholder value. We live in a world where the stock price is more important than anything else, including doing the right thing.

For CVS the stock price isn't the driver. It's owned to 77% by the Ellison family, who certainly want to make a buck, but also want political influence and control.
> they could resist this pressure and still be fine

Precisely. See also: TACO

There are lots of things that where unthinkable before Trump.

But it seems this is just business between billionaire buddies

How is CBS a victim here? They have shown by their actions (Bari Weiss, the 60 Minutes neutering, etc) they are fully backing what Larry Ellison and Sons want them to pump out. This isn't victim blaming, it's pointing out a complicit conspirator.
If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration.
> If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator?

That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims.

> CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration.

That changes this completely. That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies.

We're not talking about rape, and you're begging the question.
Your statement just reminded me of a judge who said something similiar to a rape victim.
First off, corporations are not people, so your argument is insane from the beginning.

Were the leaders of Vichy France victims? No, they were collaborators.

Corporations are plenty of people with jobs and families that depend on that jobs.

Where all the people of France that didn't choose to fight to their death collaborators?

Where all the people in the concentartion camps collaborators. Do you blame them or the real perpetrator?

I find it strange to put the blame on the middleman instead on the source of all that.

Yes.

I'm blaming victims.

If you're suffering from government oppression and you go home and cry instead of stand up for your rights, I'm blaming you for your oppression.

You're only a victim if you die with your boots on, so to speak.

You can do that if you are responsible for yourself but there are lots of people with jobs behind that.

It’s not on you to decide they have to die with you.

But the fact that Trump buddy Ellison owns CBS takes that in a completely new direction.

I'm not engaging with someone arguing the point of appeasing, bootlicking cowards.
Can’t decide, is this a strawman or ad hominem.

Beside this case I guess you never where responsible for hundreds of peoples lives.

Or maybe talk to some mothers and fathers what they endure to protect their families what you would call appeasement.