[Matl]

> Chrome, Windows and Lenovo don't have the payment system baked in, with all the consumer protections that come with it.

Chrome definitely does, at least to a degree.

But you have the option to not use it, because guess what? You're supposed to own the device.

[browningstreet]

Chrome doesn't do this, Chrome has a wallet and you're still stuck talking to your credit card company.

It looks like you may have edited your comment, but the issues of Apple's app store payment percentage, the open/closed nature of their appstore, and the ability to sideload apps are 3 separate issues.

[Matl]

I don't think I edited my comment...

> you're still stuck talking to your credit card company

AFAIK Apple still talks to it too, they just have a deeper/better experience on the platforms they own and provide a service where they can generate a virtual card for you, so you're shielded from the merchant, but not from your card issuer.

> Apple's app store payment percentage, the open/closed nature of their appstore, and the ability to sideload apps are 3 separate issues

Yes and no, because Apple wants to use the closed nature of their ecosystem to offer their solution as the only possible one, yet at the same time claim that they deserve their 30% cut because it's the best solution out there and they provide so much value.

[browningstreet]

> I don't think I edited my comment...

It might've been HN weirdness. I was getting the one sentence in one view and the whole message in the other view. Re-loading didn't get them consistent. Hmm.