[triceratops]

An automatic breadmaker costs less than $50 and makes perfect bread every time for 30c of flour and electricity. It takes 5 minutes to set up and you just wake up to fresh bread. That's less time than you'd waste going to the grocery store every day.

I take your point about everything else, but bread is the wrong example.

[dangus]

I work two part time low wage hourly jobs, where am I getting $50 for a bread maker?

Plus the Great Value white bread is 99 cents, and the packaging tells me it’s healthy.

Why am I motivated to spend my scarce money on making my own bread?

[triceratops]

> where am I getting $50 for a bread maker

Save up? Buy it from a thrift shop? Whatever it is, it's cheaper than your previous assertion that breadbaking is impossible without a $300 stand mixer.

> Why am I motivated to spend my scarce money on making my own bread?

To save money and eat better.

Again I take your point. Being poor is mentally taxing and is the result of many things having gone wrong in one's past. Often things out of one's control. All I'm saying is bread is the wrong example to illustrate that point. Try literally any other food.

[dangus]

Just save up, bro. lol

I literally witnessed someone just a couple days ago try to pay for some food at my corner store with EBT, was told by the cashier it wasn’t accepted, so she emptied her basket of all the stuff she wanted and bought a single food item.

Except the item was $6 and change, and she only had 5 single dollars in her wallet. So the cashier out of sympathy just took the $5 and let her have it.

The fuck your mean, save up?

If you think bread is the wrong example then I’ll just point to the obvious high cost of fresh fruit and vegetables. An entire pound of strawberries has less than 200 calories. If you are counting pennies and dollars these kinds of healthy foods make zero logical sense to buy.

[triceratops]

> The fuck your mean, save up?

Advice that doesn't work for everyone isn't automatically useless.

What else can a person in that situation do? I'm not asking what we as a society can do for them (plenty). I'm asking what they can do themselves, if they want to do something (and many don't, because poverty is exhausting, like I already acknowledged).

Poverty has solutions on an individual level and on a societal level. I won't judge anyone who can't or won't implement the individual choices to themselves get out of poverty because I don't know them or their situation. Even as a massively privileged person I struggle to make good personal lifestyle choices. Everyone's doing the best they can at that moment.

But equally, ignoring the existence of those choices is unhelpful.

> I’ll just point to the obvious high cost of fresh fruit and vegetables

I completely agree. It's a travesty. We should subsidize more vegetables and less corn and soybeans.

[6510]

Can make flatbread in any crappy oven. You should be able to get a used dirty one for next to nothing. Don't even have to clean it, just let it burn empty for 45 minutes. 75C (167F) should be enough but on the highest settings it doesn't take as long.

Baking bread in a pan/pot on the stove is also doable. Research the recipes a bit.

Also, there is nothing wrong with pancakes.

[TacoCommander]

White bread can't be made healthy. It's white bread! Try wheat bread