[ActorNightly]

>is the only defense.

Or you know, the 2nd amendment.

Id be willing to bet that ICE would have a much smaller impact if they would be met with bullets instead of cameras. In the end, what ICE is doing doesn't really matter to Trump, as long as MAGA believes that things are being done, even if nothing is being done, he doesn't care.

[archy_]

Never fear, the 2nd amendments days are numbered too. Trump just said 'You can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns' (the 'in' in this context being 'outside')

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-you-cant-have-gu...

[ActorNightly]

I really hope he implements this, because we are gonna see mental gymnastics on the Olympic level from the right wing commentators.

[dpkirchner]

They already continue to support him after proposing (twice!) taking people's guns without due process.

[mrguyorama]

Nothing about the 2nd amendment legalizes shooting law enforcement officers.

This has always been the absurdity of the moronic claims of the 2nd amendment being to overthrow government tyranny: You may own the gun legally, but at no point will your actions be legal. If you've decided the government needs to be overthrown, you are already throwing "law" out the window, even if you have a valid argument that the government you are overthrowing has abandoned the constitution.

Why the fuck do you need legal guns to commit treason? Last I checked, most government overthrows don't even involve people armed with private rifles!

If you are overthrowing the government, you will need to take over local police stations. At the moment, you no longer need private arms, and what you are doing isn't legal anyway.

Meanwhile, every single fucking time it has come up, the gun nuts go radio silent when the government kills the right person who happens to own a gun. Every. Single. Time.

It took minutes for the "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" people who raised a million dollars for Kyle Rittenhouse to defend himself for driving to a protest in a different state while armed to the teeth to of course get to shoot someone to turn around and say "Actually bringing a gun to a protest makes you a terrorist and you need to be shot". Minutes. They have also put up GoFundMes for the guy who executed that man.

If you are too scared to stand up to your government without a fucking rifle, you have never been an actual threat to your government, and they know that.

[arowthway]

Sure there is the usual hypocrisy but IMO what's more interesting is that, based on some posts that pop up on my FB feed, there has been a real backlash among gun nuts and people like Rittenhouse himself.

[ActorNightly]

You would think that this makes a difference in the long run of who people vote for, but it won't unfortunately.

For most conservatives, it all comes down to "liberal=bad, conservative=good". They will vote for Trump as long as Trump as seen as conservative.

[nextlevelwizard]

Fed

[ActorNightly]

Ah yes, there is the uncomfortable feeling deep in your gut that you suppress, but a part of you knows it can happen.

I hope you realize that civil unrest is coming. Maybe not in a month. Maybe not even in a year. But at some point, after Trump fucks with elections and installs himself as a 3d term president, and the economy takes a nose dive as companies start pulling out of US, peoples savings are destroyed, and states start being more separationist, you are gonna see way worse things.

[nextlevelwizard]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fedpost#English

[ActorNightly]

i know what fedposting means.

Im just saying your reaction to it is predictable

[dylan604]

That's a strange take. It also feels like exactly what they are hoping to have happen. Encouraging gun violence is not something condoned, so not sure why you are posting that nonsense. Are you an agitator?

[ActorNightly]

Strange take? Are you kidding me?

The second amendment is literally in the constitution for the EXACT reason where if a governing entity decides to violate the security and freedoms of people, the people have the right to own weapons and organize a militia.

Plus nobody really needs to die. Having enough people point guns at them is going to make them think twice about starting shit. Contrary to popular belief, ICE agents aren't exactly martyrs for the cause. There are already groups of people armed outside protecting others, for this exact reason.

You are the actual fed lmao.

[convolvatron]

I wish we would stop using that word 'agitator', while I understand the subjective idea that someone is just trying to stir up trouble, it kind of undermines the idea that we should be able to express opinions no matter how distasteful.

and apparently it now a perfectly valid reason for the state to execute someone without being charged or a trial.

[dylan604]

anyone promoting for people to start showing up and shooting at law enforcement, even if it is ICE, is what if not an agitator?

[ActorNightly]

Nobody said start showing up and shooting ICE. I simply said, "met" in the sense of standing your ground. ICE would not be a problem if they did things legally, like they did under Obama.

[unethical_ban]

I consider the term to be a label of a bad-faith actor vs. someone who holds genuine conviction that the "agitating action" is a good thing.

A Chinese bot farmer who says we should be shooting each other? Agitator.

A neighbor who says "If I see LEO murder someone, I'm taking them on"? Not an agitator.

[dylan604]

> A neighbor who says "If I see LEO murder someone, I'm taking them on"? Not an agitator.

That's not what was said here though

[convolvatron]

where is the line? I was fine with the word until it started being used to justify killing innocents

[dylan604]

Then be upset with them for misappropriating the word. I'm using it just fine, thank you very much!