[Imustaskforhelp]

> It does not require either party to have the other's ID.

Sure but that's literally not my point.

It's still an interception because the govt is still decided who can communicate (essentially) or not.

You cannot communicate with a vps provider if they don't have your ID and this condition being forced as a requirement otherwise the UK govt.s gonna jail and sue into literal millions is much akin to an interception in basically everything.

[chrisjj]

It literally is your point "enforcing a condition for one party to have Id of other for age verification etc".

As for the provider, there is not prhibition on communicating with him, with or without ID. Just on him providing service to other than verifed adults.

[Imustaskforhelp]

> As for the provider, there is not prhibition on communicating with him, with or without ID. Just on him providing service to other than verifed adults.

Oh okay yea I don't mean that exactly but from my original comment what I meant was that the service of VPN is still essentially just a communication layer of sorts between two devices where a middle man can sit technically.

I was referring to this as still a communication creating a network between these two vis a vis VPN

And they are having restrictions on VPN's, my point of fear in this context is that suppose I host anything between two computers, technically its still a VPN (think a proxy or even a VPS or even cf tunnels alternative or heck even my self hosted tmate)

My point is that they are all still technically VPN's and this rule can still apply. I don't think that they can refer to VPN as wireguard or something as we imagine and this gives immense power to them

It's absolutely scary to say the least.

[chrisjj]

I think unfortunately you are right. The prohibition is wide - to head off evasion.

And probably they will need to widen further - to cover anything that can circumvent the social media block.

One more step towards Iran.

Scary indeed.

[Imustaskforhelp]

> I think unfortunately you are right. The prohibition is wide - to head off evasion.

No worries, I wish I was wrong too but sadly I am just following the logic-ish that I am feeling is gonna happen, but I am happy that our confusion atleast got solved and I was able to proper explain what I am thinking.

Wrote a little poem inspired by the famous germany wwII poem-ish that I read in my history book

First they came for our social media, I didn't say anything

Then they came for our vpn, I didn't say anything (we are here)

Then they came for our vps providers, I didn't say anything (By definition a connection with VPS can still be considered a virtual private network, I don't think that they have ruled it out in the law)

My biggest fear is that this will be replicated if it turns out to be good for the people in "power"

My worries is that a single mis use of this can/will put everyone in line that nobody's safe.

I am not even sure if this rule can somehow be exploited for non UK users as UK users seems the most impacted but non UK companies would be impacted too. I mean we already had global surveillance but this is putting things into global level. First time something like this is happening in a democracy fwiw imo (atleast for VPN)

It's scary developments and I am not prepared to live through this era of privacy dystopian nightmare fuel. I hope a resistance can emerge other than the doomerism I feel right now because my point is right now its the UK citizens who are fucked by their govt. but we can just very much be likely on the chopping block too.

I know internet resistance is meh but something's better than nothing and I hope UK creates protests about this as its still not written in law (but being honest I am doomerist about it that chances of it being signed are almost 100% given that someone created a petition and it got signed in UK and they were legally forced to discuss it but somehow they didn't like wtf about the Online Safety act?)

I mean, much support to my UK friends to prevent such 1984 dystopia. (I am tired of saying 1984 but literally 1984)

Looks like a Internet resistance should be established for freedom. We privacy conscious users should combine and try to discuss more about what are some things which can be done but I must admit that I don't know the solution but I hope that a solution can come out of discussion or a clear plan of action.

[chrisjj]

> Then they came for our vps providers

Next they came for our IP addresses ... which is where it gets really messy, since we don't have one per user.

So, next they came waving "digital ID". Oh, wait...

:(

[Imustaskforhelp]

:(

Man where did the free internet go.