| There is so much wrong here I don't really know where to start. There is a bunch of the usual flawed assumptions on things that haven't been relevant in decades. So I am going to pick the most egregious examples. > But the big point is, it's there. I'd rather have confusing customisation (as Xfce can be) than no customisation like GNOME. Those gnome plugins I install and extensions I must have imagined. I am sure there will be some reason why this isn't good enough, but I can customise my desktop absolute fine. https://extensions.gnome.org/ > Some do, yes. But I avoid dedicated GPUs for my hardware, and most of the time, I run in VMs where GPU acceleration is flakey. So I'd rather tools that don't need hardware for performance to tools that require it. I am not sure why you wouldn't want GPU acceleration that works properly. Your examples of VM. Gnome works fine through in a VM (I used it yesterday), Remote Desktop and even Citrix. I used Gnome in a Linux VM over RDP and Citrix 2 years at work. It worked quite well in fact, even over WAN. I don't care about what the situation 13 years ago (I dubious it was true then btw becase I was using a CentOS 7 VM). EDIT: I just read the article. You are complaining about enabling a bloody checkbox. > The best-selling single model range of computers since the Commodore 64 is the Raspberry Pi range, and the bulk of the tens of millions of them they've sold have 1GB RAM -- or less. There is no way to upgrade. I guarantee you people aren't using these 1GB models as desktops. They are using this for things like a Pi Hole, Home Assistant, 3d printer, Kodi, Retro Gaming emulators or embedded applications. People do run KDE, Gnome and Cinnamon on the 4GB/8GB/16GB models or buy a Pi400/500. > I always hear this. I had to sit down with a colleague pumping this BS when I worked for SUSE and step by step, function by function, prove to him that Xfce could do every single function he could come up with in KDE and GNOME put together. I was quite obviously talking about HiDPI support. You didn't read what I said. This stuff works properly on Gnome and not on Xfce. > Don't care. I am 58. I can't see the difference. So I do not own any HiDPI monitors. Features that only young people with excellent eyesight can even see is is ageist junk. I do fucking care. I use a HiDPI monitor. Fonts are rendered better. My games look better than I run on my desktop. I like it. I am 42. I can see the difference. While I am younger. I am not that young. Why you are bringing ageism into what is essentially more pixels on a screen I have no idea. It is baffling that you are taking exception because I want the scaling to work properly on my monitors that I purchased. BTW my monitors are over a decade old now. HiDPI is not novel. > It is not even similar. It is exactly what you described. I literally read what you said and compared to what I could do on my Gnome Desktop. So I can only assume that you can't actually the describe the issue properly. That isn't my issue, that is yours. > So you are happy with it. Good for you. Can you at least understand that others hate it and have strong valid reasons for hating it and that it cripples us? No. You literally repeated all the usual drivel that isn't true (I know because I've actually use Gnome) and complaints that are boil down to "I don't like how it works" or "the developers said something I didn't like and now I hate them forever". It is tiresome and trite, I would expect such things from someone in their early 20s, yet you are almost 60. |
Installing extensions is not customisability. It is code patching on the fly and it breaks when the desktop gets upgraded.
Not good enough.
> Gnome works fine through in a VM
Again you translate "does not do something well" into "it does not work". Yes it can run in a VM. It doesn't do it very well and it only does it if the VM is powerful on a fast host.
Just a few years ago it did not work.
> EDIT: I just read the article. You are complaining about enabling a bloody checkbox.
You didn't understand it, then. It is really about what settings to enable and what extensions you must install.
> I guarantee you people aren't using these 1GB models as desktops.
Then you're wrong. I did myself not long ago. Most of the world is poor, most of the world doesn't have high-end tech.
> I was quite obviously talking about HiDPI support. You didn't read what I said.
I read it. I replied. I don't care.
The GNOME developers destroyed an industry standard user interface -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access -- which I am willing to bet you've never heard of and don't know how to use -- just to avoid getting sued by Microsoft 20Y ago.
A bunch of entitled kids who don't know how to use a computer with keyboard alone and who don't give a fsck about the needs of disabled and visually impaired people ripped out menu bars and a tonne more to make their toy desktop, but they threw in features to amuse audiophiles and people with fancy monitors, and you don't understand why I am pissed off.
You ripped out my computer's UI and replaced it with a toy so you could have higher refresh rates and shinier games.
> It is baffling
It's only baffling because never heard before from anyone inconvenienced by it and never thought before of other people's needs and use cases -- which is GNOME all over.
> It is exactly what you described.
No it is not.
Tell me what extensions will put the GNOME favourites bar on the left of the left screen and a vertical virtual desktop switcher on the right of the right screen.
You didn't understand my blog post about GUI acceleration in VMs, and you don't understand my comments either.
I have used every single version of GNOME released since 2.0 and I know my way round it pretty well -- same as I am atheist and know the Bible better than all but about 3 so-called christians I've met in 6 decades. Know your enemy.
I have been getting hatred and personal abuse from the GNOME team and GNOME fans, every time I ever criticise it, for over a decade now. It is the single most toxic community I know in Linux.