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> I am sure there will be some reason why this isn't good enough,

Installing extensions is not customisability. It is code patching on the fly and it breaks when the desktop gets upgraded.

Not good enough.

> Gnome works fine through in a VM

Again you translate "does not do something well" into "it does not work". Yes it can run in a VM. It doesn't do it very well and it only does it if the VM is powerful on a fast host.

Just a few years ago it did not work.

> EDIT: I just read the article. You are complaining about enabling a bloody checkbox.

You didn't understand it, then. It is really about what settings to enable and what extensions you must install.

> I guarantee you people aren't using these 1GB models as desktops.

Then you're wrong. I did myself not long ago. Most of the world is poor, most of the world doesn't have high-end tech.

> I was quite obviously talking about HiDPI support. You didn't read what I said.

I read it. I replied. I don't care.

The GNOME developers destroyed an industry standard user interface -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access -- which I am willing to bet you've never heard of and don't know how to use -- just to avoid getting sued by Microsoft 20Y ago.

A bunch of entitled kids who don't know how to use a computer with keyboard alone and who don't give a fsck about the needs of disabled and visually impaired people ripped out menu bars and a tonne more to make their toy desktop, but they threw in features to amuse audiophiles and people with fancy monitors, and you don't understand why I am pissed off.

You ripped out my computer's UI and replaced it with a toy so you could have higher refresh rates and shinier games.

> It is baffling

It's only baffling because never heard before from anyone inconvenienced by it and never thought before of other people's needs and use cases -- which is GNOME all over.

> It is exactly what you described.

No it is not.

Tell me what extensions will put the GNOME favourites bar on the left of the left screen and a vertical virtual desktop switcher on the right of the right screen.

You didn't understand my blog post about GUI acceleration in VMs, and you don't understand my comments either.

I have used every single version of GNOME released since 2.0 and I know my way round it pretty well -- same as I am atheist and know the Bible better than all but about 3 so-called christians I've met in 6 decades. Know your enemy.

I have been getting hatred and personal abuse from the GNOME team and GNOME fans, every time I ever criticise it, for over a decade now. It is the single most toxic community I know in Linux.

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> same as I am atheist and know the Bible better than all but about 3 so-called christians I've met in 6 decades. Know your enemy.

I missed this the first time around. The fact that you see Christians as enemies (your words btw) is quite telling about this entire interaction/conversation we've had.

I honestly think that if you haven't learned why this attitude of your is a problem at almost 60 years old, I don't think you ever will.

I won't be responding to you again on any topic.

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> Installing extensions is not customisability. It is code patching on the fly and it breaks when the desktop gets upgraded.

This is nonsense.

1) It changes how it works to how I prefer it, so that is customising it. 2) I've used the same extensions for ages. Nothing ever broken.

Basically want you and a lot of people want, is that there are hundred of options setting trivial things. Ok fine, then don't use Gnome, nobody is forcing you to use it.

As I said I install dash to dock and appindicator icons.

> Again you translate "does not do something well" into "it does not work".

It seems to be that you are getting hung up on the word "works fine" and wanting to get into some stupid semantic argument.

I found that it does do it well. You didn't read what I said. I used it for 2 years. It worked perfectly fine during duration.

So I know for a fact that what are you are saying incorrect.

> You didn't understand it, then. It is really about what settings to enable and what extensions you must install.

I was being flippant when I said "enable a checkbox". What was described in your blog post I've done this in virtualbox myself in the past.

It isn't difficult, pretending it is is asinine. I haven't used virtualbox in years, but I am quite familiar with the general purpose from when I did.

> I read it. I replied. I don't care.

Right. So why are you replying at all? So why should I care about your opinion if you aren't willing to consider mine?

You said you were 58 years old, I expect someone that is 58 years old (and is clearly articulate) to behave better tbh.

> A bunch of entitled kids who don't know how to use a computer with keyboard alone and who don't give a fsck about the needs of disabled and visually impaired people ripped out menu bars and a tonne more to make their toy desktop, but they threw in features to amuse audiophiles and people with fancy monitors, and you don't understand why I am pissed off.

I have HiDPI monitors for work. You keep on making assumptions about people and then come to the wrong conclusions.

Also I actually have a blind friend and he says that Gnome is actually works reasonably well (he installed it in a VM on his Mac).

He says it isn't as good as MacOS and thus he still uses his Mac. But he used Gnome and Unity and he says they are "ok".

As for pipewire/pulse. I had some issues with it like while ago, but it all seems to be fixed now.

So I am going to assume that you don't know what you are talking about.

> You ripped out my computer's UI and replaced it with a toy so you could have higher refresh rates and shinier games.

This is absolute nonsense. I did nothing of the sort. I just customised the default UI that happened to come with CentOS 7 at work and happened to like it and usually return to using it.

Gnome actually known for not working well with games. I am actually making YouTube video about it. You have to install GameScope to sandbox the compositor.

This is another case of you not knowing what you are on about quite frankly.

> I have been getting hatred and personal abuse from the GNOME team and GNOME fans, every time I ever criticise it, for over a decade now. It is the single most toxic community I know in Linux.

Says the person that just told me he didn't care about my needs and whether my hardware works and then blames for something never did. The toxicity isn't coming from me.

BTW, None of this was done by me. I use gnome. I am not part of the community. I done exactly one YouTube video for a friend to show him how to configure some stuff in Gnome as he was new to Linux. Oh I think I once may have logged a bug on their issue tracker.

It seems to me that you are arguing with the wrong person. You need to direct anger elsewhere. I did find the accusations of quite hilarious. So thanks for the giggles.