[qart]

> For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order.

As an Indian listening to this, this comes across as absurd. Trudeau constantly invoked this phrase when dealing with India about the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar. It basically meant Trudeau could level allegations, not provide any evidence, and strut as if he as won. In due course, the murderers turned out to be their own terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar#Diplomati...

[gruez]

>It basically meant Trudeau could level allegations, not provide any evidence, and strut as if he as won.

Canada's case was well corroborated by US and UK intelligence. India's claims of Mr Nijjar of being a terrorist was not.

>But nothing in the evidence India presented, the people say, met the standard for criminal charges in Canada, let alone for extradition. To press their case, officials in New Delhi frequently sent clippings from Indian media, which was rife with lurid stories about Nijjar’s alleged involvement in violence, instead of providing what the process required: hard evidence, obtained without coercion, that would stand up in a Western courtroom. When that didn’t work, the people say, the Indians suggested that Canadian police find a way to concoct the necessary evidence.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2025-india-sikh-separatis...

[qart]

> India's claims of Mr Nijjar of being a terrorist was not.

But I'm not talking about this claim. I'm talking about the fact that Trudeau accused the Indian government being responsible for his murder. The onus was always on the Canadian government to prove it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-indian-government-n...

[gruez]

So bringing up an off topic comment about the Canadian government is fair game, but bring up a rebuttal from the Indian government is not?

[qart]

Calling out hypocrisy is fair game. What rebuttal? Why even talk about irrelevant "clippings"? On whom is the onus of providing evidence?

[bluegatty]

First, this issue has nothing to do with what Carney is talking about, second - nobody in Canada wants anything to with your 'ethno nationalist wars', third - the frequency with which this issue is brought up and pigeon-holed into everything is absurd, but fourth - and most critically - you're lying: the 'murderers' by all accounts were Indian nationals and the link you provided literally indicates that 'Karan Brar, age 22, Kamal Preet Singh, age 22, and Karan Preet Singh, age 28' arrested for murder - are Indian Nationals on temporary visas in Canada.

[qart]

> nobody in Canada wants anything to with your 'ethno nationalist wars'

Absurd. These are YOUR 'ethno nationalist wars' because your country has given them a safe haven. This problem does not exist in India. Not one Sikh I know sympathizes with these separatists, and I have plenty of Sikh friends, been to their homes, been to their hometowns.

[bluegatty]

These are literally murders by Indian nationals on other Indian nationals, involving Indian government.

We want nothing to do with this.

Nobody is getting 'safe haven' - we have 'laws' and 'citizenship' so we respect those things, otherwise, we'd prefer all of you who want to continue your infighting to go home. Totally unwelcome.

Crucially - has nothing to do with this post.

[qart]

> These are literally murders by Indian nationals on other Indian nationals

They are all in your immigration pipeline or already through it. The crimes are all on Canadian soil. Who has jurisdiction in the so-called "rules-based international order"?

> involving Indian government

This is your fantasy. You're playing fast and loose with accusations, just like Carney and Trudeau were while calling it "rules-based international order".

> We want nothing to do with this.

Then stop providing asylum. Stop courting them for votes. Prosecute criminals.

> Crucially - has nothing to do with this post.

Refer to the first line that I quoted.

[bluegatty]

"They are all in your immigration pipeline or already through it. The crimes are all on Canadian soil. "

India Logic: "We go somewhere else to commit crimes, it's their fault"

I don't want to say anything too offensive, but this is 'garbage logic'.

On the subject of migration - it's literally the 'garbage logic' that the majority of 'good people' are trying to escape.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

[qart]

Canada logic: "Let's take in people who have links to Canadian crime gangs, and when things go bad, let's just blame India"

> it's literally the 'garbage logic' that the majority of 'good people' are trying to escape.

Thank you very much!! Please take more 'good people'! I heard "asylum crackdown began in Canada" by someone else right here. Please go protest it. I suppose these people are all upstanding model citizens of Canada now. You are most welcome to blame the murder of Harpreet Singh Uppal on India too. Just keep taking more 'good people'.

> Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

OK. I will personally accept all future blame, just like Jesus Christ. Only if you promise to keep taking more 'good people'.

[JumpCrisscross]

> This problem does not exist in India. Not one Sikh I know sympathizes with these separatists

Then problem solved! If there are no separatists there is nobody to offer asylum to!

[qart]

It is that simple. Canada is not learning. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G76aXJOWkAA4CNy?format=jpg&name=...

[alephnerd]

Most of the asylum claims came before CY2025, which is when the false asylum crackdown began in Canada [0].

A major issue was the Truduea-era diplomatic spat that led to the expulsion of Canadian [1] and Indian [2] diplomatic staff who cooperated on background checks along with an MP in Punjab who ran a "cash for asylum claim" racket [3].

After Carney became PM and Anand became MFA, the Canada-India relationship went back on track, and Trudeau era appointees were largely sidelined.

[0] - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/canada-c...

[1] - https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2024/10/ministe...

[2] - https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.htm?dtl/38420/India+ex...

[3] - https://theprint.in/ground-reports/punjabi-illegal-migration...

[rfrey]

Are you saying a "Canadian Terrorist" murdered Nijjar? The article you link says nothing about any country (except India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka) disputing Canada's claim.

[qart]

Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement is not a significant movement in India. I have plenty of connections with Sikhs and Sikhism in India. Apart from a very tiny minority of people, who quickly set off to Canada, this movement does not exist in India. They are courted by Canadian parliamentarians, which included Trudeau.

This book has more details about the movement: https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Fifty-Global-Khalistan-Project/d...

[rfrey]

If it's such an insignificant movement, it's curious why India saw fit to assassinate a Canadian on Canadian soil. A claim that as near as I can tell only India and its surrogates (such as yourself, it seems) dispute.

[qart]

> If it's such an insignificant movement

It is a significant movement in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

Also, the veracity of a claim does not depend on who is making it or who is disputing it. The accusing investigation agency has do a proper investigation and submit proofs and ask for extradition.

[rfrey]

Yes, Canadian investigators should have gone to India to investigate and build a case against the Indian government. That would have worked well.

Several countries examined Canada's evidence and found it satisfactory. Your government conducted an extra judicial execution of a Canadian citizen on Canadian territory. You are the baddies, even if your government assures you of the opposite.

[qart]

You are resistant to all the actual information I have provided you. Your terrorists are killing more of your own citizens. But, I suppose Indian government should straightaway accept guilt for all such murders including that of Harjeet Singh Dhadda and an upstanding citizen Harpreet Singh Uppal. Mark Carney is cosying up to the same Indian government. I wonder which strategy of Carney will work on you: supply kool-aid or pretend there was never any problem. I'm betting on the latter.