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by ch2026 162 days ago
They don’t need to justify it because Americans who are upset don’t possess the wherewithal to hold them accountable.
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They're too busy worrying about making rent and defending their neighbors from getting abducted by masked adult boys
> getting abducted by masked adult boys

Which boys?

ICE
They now employ minors?

Besides, how realistic is a fear that a law abiding citizen would be endangered by the ICE?

If you are brown, pretty realistic given the number of brown citizens ICE has deported. [1]

[1] https://nipnlg.org/news/press-releases/ice-deports-man-claim...

How many is it? Your link gets us to 1, and it's from months ago. I expected you to link the number since you're claiming it's high.

Supposedly there's been 500k deportations, and 2.5m "self-deportations" in 2025, so what would be high here?

Edit: I also googled that man's name. A quick read of nbcs article suggests it's not clear he's a citizen. The judge said he "had a substantial claim to citizenship," which means nothing either way. He was born in Thailand.

"In his Nov. 3 brief, [a lawyer] contends Souvannarath stayed in the United States for 19 years after his removal order without challenging it or seeking proof of citizenship."

Several law abiding citizens have been caught up in the ice dragnet. Pay attention.
Several? Like three?

3/600,000 removals in 2025 = .000005% chance

So, to answer his question: not realistic at all that you'll get deported as a citizen. That's without fact checking you. I haven't seen anything about actual citizens being removed, including in the sibling comment claiming it with a reference.

I don't see how they're any less complicit than the Russians living nice and chilled in Moscow.
So the bar is now at least we are as bad as Russia?
America has invaded a lot more countries than Russia in the last 30 years...
How many countries did the US invade to make them part of the US?
Mexico, Puerto Rico, Samoa, Hawaii, Guam, Cuba, Panama, and the Philippines?

In the last 100 years the trend has been been for America to invade a country and try to install a friendly government rather than formally annex them - Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria.

Oh plus all the overseas military bases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_oversea...

So it's not longer 30 years but 100? What the US did pre WW2 was in no way abnormal or worse than that what every other powerful was doing..

Also US never technically invaded Lybia, Yemen or Syria (unless you count their intervention to support the Kurdish and Iraqi governments against ISIS an invasion...)

What happened in Korea was the opposite of the invasion (of course the South Korea regime they were saving was extremely oppressive and arguably not worse at all than the one in the North at the time).

Also are you implying that the majority of military bases US has in other countries (especially in Europe) is involuntary?

Invade, none. Continue to occupy to this day? Several. Edit: Although we did take a small chunk of Syria without asking.
Invading countries to annex them is not even that bad if you give full citizen rights to their population. Invading to occupy, destabilise and depredate is much worse.
> Invading countries to annex them is not even that bad if you give full citizen rights to their population.

How is that relevant to Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Whenever Russia takes territory they're filling mass graves with raped Ukrainian civilians.

American forces too have committed innumerable atrocities, and there is no forgiving that, but it doesn't support the premise above that Russia is in some way cleaner.

Are you saying the Ukraine conflict is less bad than this Venezuela conflict?
>Invading countries to annex them is not even that bad if you give full citizen rights to their population.

This is soviet bullshit, the Moscowitz did a lot of genocides you can find plenty of sources, so they were and are as bad as Israel because the Rusky/slavs in Ruzzia are indoctrinated to feel superior to the other non slaves in the empire and feel still a bit more superior then the rest of the slavs. You can look at the existing recent data from the Ruzzian stats and how the minorities are more in decline then the Ruskies.

So for uninformed people that might read this soviet guy comment, read a wikipedia summary of what moscowites did and Putin is still doing, I suggest not reading in detail, like reading books or interviews with vitims of this criminal empire you will fill a big amount of pain if you have empath on how this Ruscists treated humans , I will never forget the stuff Ir ead and better if I did not know the details.

Ruzzia, israle , USA all are bad but the situation is multidimensional and is not easy to say that Ruzzia is less bad then Nazis and are better then Israle etc., we cana dmit that criminal are criminals, dictators are dictators, bastardads are bastards and trolls are trolls.

It's only because of geography that they haven't done it.
That's just an opinion, the fact is they haven't.

Russia in the last 30 years invaded and occupied Moldova, Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria - not to mention the atrocities committed in Africa.

But with the exception of Syria, Russia always had genocidal intent - deny cultures, erase them, and make those countries as unstable as possible while remaining occupied.

I'm not saying what the US did was good, or right, but there's a big difference.

The US never denied the existence of cultures, languages, etc.

Instead they just plant people into the government and pretend it is still a sovereign nation.
It would almost be less repugnant had they made Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Korea and Yugoslavia US states and their population US citizens.
No, you are worse. You need to let Russia attack at least 30 countries in next 30 years while you sit and watch. Then let’s recalculate who is worse.
That bar was one the ground with the patriot act and never left it since.
You're way worse than that. You invade everyone all the time and all of it is illegal and wrong.

https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...

The US has a much longer list of invasions and foreign interference than Russia. Its not even comparable.
Poor little $countryName exceptionalists, having to endure being compared to le bad country. (This isn't specific to Americans in any way BTW.)
squints at cold war
Regardless of anything else equating Maduro's Venezuela and Ukraine and the military side-effects of both invasions/"operations" isn't exactly fair. The Venezuelan government is/was both illegitimate and very oppressive. Not that I'm implying that Trump did what he did on Humanitarian grounds...
> Americans who are upset don’t possess the wherewithal to hold them accountable.

Any attempt at holding the admin accountable would make it look a bit more like Venezuela. NA is rightfully too soft to want to ever go that route. They'll peacefully protest and that'll be it. Anything more than that would be the individuals throwing their lives away unless the whole country did it in unison.

Trump was extraordinarily lucky here, the Maduro regime was wholly unprepared and he was immediately extracted from the county; he can claim "mission accomplished", parade Maduro in front of the world media and watch from afar the PSUV leadership tear themselves appart.

But the dice Trump rolled could have easily fell onto a well prepared Maduro regime, which could have downed a few Blackhawks, torpedoed the ship from which they launched, captured and killed a few dozens to a few hundreds US service men, paraded them in the streets of Caracas and used them as human shields protecting the main military targets etc.

I.e, Trump could have easily committed US to a long term war and a ground invasion, without Congress authorization or allied support, and with Iraq or worse long term results.

Simpler explanation: the army stood down and Maduro went peacefully.

It's actually quite an impressive feat of negotiation.

While I strongly doubt this is true, it still doesn't change the fundamental gamble Trump took: it's impossible to predict how a regime change attempt will go, who will betray and who will rally around the flag. Especially in a resource rich country.
Any ideas? All ears.
DJT 2.0 did a `Charlie Kirk' flex and acted out of MAGA base self interest before the Who you know. Stocking up on fuel will put more cards in the hand for next moves in China or Iran.
what? I'm reading this as: "We're gonna need oil for fuel when we go to war with china"

But south America is easily blockaded in times of war the oil (if we needed it) would be ours regardless. Second, we don't need it, we've been a net exporter for like over a decade now right?

Its been a few days. It turns out this was a simply capricious and erratic act on the part of Donald Trump, and we stand to essentially benefit not one iota as a country from it!