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by DustinEchoes 174 days ago
Welcome to the end of Pax Americana.
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Maybe more of a blip than the end? I think the main aggressor probably having kompromat on leader of the free world will pass.

In the meantime the rest of the free world are going to have to step up.

This all just feels like typical sabre rattling to me. Except this time, the US is also rattling it at basically everyone, and Russia may take that as a good sign.

Make no mistake, Russia does not have the ability to fight a world war with Europe, so would requires allies. Basically, China. And that would be enough to set the US off.

Trump talks a lot, too much, trying to use bullying and threats to effect changes he wants to see. But at any hint of war with Europe, we'd be right there with them.

I don't worry about any of this now personally, because Putin is more calculating than that. And even if he's gone completely bonkers, Jinping is way too careful to be openly associated with them at this point.

I think what makes this feel different isn’t the sabre rattling, which i agree has always happened. But just how many large economic powers are at it concurrently.

America is using rhetoric that threatens a civil war right now.

Israel is attacking all of their neighbours.

Europe is shifting to the most nationalist versions of parliaments we’ve seen since the Second World War.

And we are see massive global economic decline, civil unrest, and a general atmosphere that things need to change. Unfortunately that often becomes a precursor for war because war is, initially at least, good for business.

As someone who’s middle aged and always watched the news closely until very recently, I’ve found I’ve had to stop eating precisely because the current climate feels the closest to another world war that we’ve seen since the previous one.

The Golf War was scary because of its risk of escalation, as was the cold war. But what we are seeing presently is actual escalation and by more countries. And seemingly with a population that’s not entirely against the domestic policies that lead to such escalation.

> Israel is attacking all of their neighbours.

That’s a bit of an exaggeration. Israel has not attacked Egypt or Jordan.

It has attacked Lebanon after the north of Israel had been evacuated for many months due to relentless rocket attacks from Lebanon.

The only preemptive attack on a neighbour was Syria, after the fall of the Assad regime.

They’re also attacking Iran too. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj9vj8glg2o

I don’t really care who started what. That’s just silly playground politics best left for historians who specialise in Middle Eastern foreign politics. My point is they’re at the “let’s show them our military force” phase of their foreign policies.

Iran is a thousand miles away from Israel. There are like 30 other countries within that radius.

I get that you’re trying to make a different point, but your exaggerated language presents a distorted slant, and such one-sided rhetoric, especially when repeated many times, actually contributes to the political shifts and the spirals of violence that you worry about.

I’m not going to disagree with your more general point, even though you’re missing my point, but now you’re the one being exaggerative.
Ukraine is Europe. And what does US do? Threatens Ukraine into giving away land.

"Russia wants to see Ukraine succeed"

Geographically, so is Russia.

Perhaps I should have said the EU, of which Ukraine is not a member.

There's more of Russia in Asia, geographically.

And Europe isn't even a real continent, it's more like West Asia, a peninsula. Only politically it's a "continent."

But at any hint of war with Europe, we'd be right there with them.

There is no reason in the world to think that's true.

People forget how close the Trump family's historical ties to Russia run. "We get all the funding we need out of Russia" should have disqualified any presidential candidate, but...

Trump has some kind of magic aura that allows him to say the most ridiculous stuff that would be career ending for any other politician, and somehow have it received by the public as endearing.

It truly is a bizarre time in politics.