[cubefox]

> > For the tagged case you would have to change all(!) the call sites

> Yeah, that's exactly why I want a tagged union; so when I make a change, the compiler tells me where I need to go to do updates to my system, instead of manually hunting around for all the sites.

You don't have to do anything manually. There is nothing to do. Changing the return type of a function from String|Null to String is completely safe, the compiler knows that, so you don't have to do any "manual hunting" at call sites.

[jesse__]

The String|null example is just a nullable type; it's not an interesting use of unions either way. The conversation starts when it's Foo|Bar|Baz

I'm unfamiliar with typescript, so in that language I don't have an opinion either way, but in C, you pretty much always want the tag

[cubefox]

C doesn't support any untagged unions (or intersections) in the modern sense. In a set-theoretic type system, if you want to call a method of Foo, and the type of your variable is Foo|Bar|Baz, you have to do a type check for Bar and Baz first, otherwise the compiler won't compile.

[jesse__]

Okay .. so, riddle me this Batman.

If I have an untagged union in <language_of_your_choice>, and I'm iterating over an array of elements of type `Foo|Bar|Baz`, and I have to do a dynamic cast before accessing the element (runtime typecheck) .. I believe that must actually be a tagged union under the hood, whether or not you call it a tagged union or not... right? ie. How would the program possibly know at runtime what the type of a heterogeneous set of elements is without a tag value to tell it?

[cubefox]

That sounds plausible. Just like functional programming languages are imperative under the hood. It's all magic as far as I'm concerned.

[jadsfwasdfsd]

> but in C, you pretty much always want the tag

We aren't discussing unions in memory layout, but in type systems. This also clearly indicates you aren't qualified for this discussion.

[jesse__]

I believe that, by the description provided, most languages that you're talking about must actually represent 'untagged unions' as tagged unions under the hood. See my sibling comment. I'm curious

[cubefox]

To be fair, even Wikipedia talks about "untagged unions" only in the context of C. The terminology is confusing and the literature often out of date.